If You Mute the Chaos

Camp · 2019-11-12T15:47:45.561Z

I am just pointing out that Bloomburg stumbled on an authoritarian method to reduce the gun violence that his supporters want and it gets yanked away for reasons of race inequality rather than personal liberty.

Life is always stranger than fiction.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T15:57:48.966Z

It worked. And it was unConstitutional as hell.

H_Arendt · 2019-11-12T15:59:07.702Z

WuWei:

It worked. And it was unConstitutional as hell.

The statistics indicate clearly that it did not. If you want to assert that it worked please come up with a shred of evidence.

We’ve already had one go-round regarding statistics… let’s try to avoid another. I remember how upset you were last time.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T16:05:07.146Z

H_Arendt:

WuWei:

It worked. And it was unConstitutional as hell.

The statistics indicate clearly that it did not. If you want to assert that it worked please come up with a shred of evidence.

We’ve already had one go-round regarding statistics… let’s try to avoid another. I remember how upset you were last time.

You are looking at the wrong statistics if you are looking at guns. It was an excuse to force contact.

I don’t get upset.

You are wrong. Again. No need to make mealy-mouthed posts about it.

H_Arendt · 2019-11-12T16:14:48.234Z

WuWei:

H_Arendt:

WuWei:

It worked. And it was unConstitutional as hell.

The statistics indicate clearly that it did not. If you want to assert that it worked please come up with a shred of evidence.

We’ve already had one go-round regarding statistics… let’s try to avoid another. I remember how upset you were last time.

You are looking at the wrong statistics if you are looking at guns. It was an excuse to force contact.

I don’t get upset.

You are wrong. Again. No need to make mealy-mouthed posts about it.

I used guns as one example. It was just the primary justification for the program.

The major statistic is overall crime rates in the city, which have been in decline for years and where the rate of decline was not affected by the start or end stop-and-frisk.

No need to dredge up nasty adjectives, just explain how the impact of Stop and Frisk can be demonstrated.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T16:18:50.034Z

H_Arendt:

No need to dredge up nasty adjectives

First blood.

It worked. You just don’t understand how or why.

H_Arendt · 2019-11-12T16:30:28.216Z

WuWei:

H_Arendt:

No need to dredge up nasty adjectives

First blood.

It worked. You just don’t understand how or why.

I’ve explained how it did not work and pointed to the relevant data. You are insisting you are right with nothing to back up your position. Unless you are able to back up your claims, I will withdraw from this conversation.

Vigilante · 2019-11-12T16:35:10.315Z

Just how long will you keep putting quarters in a machine before you realize its broken?

Jezcoe · 2019-11-12T19:46:39.505Z

H_Arendt:

WuWei:

It worked. And it was unConstitutional as hell.

The statistics indicate clearly that it did not. If you want to assert that it worked please come up with a shred of evidence.

We’ve already had one go-round regarding statistics… let’s try to avoid another. I remember how upset you were last time.

You are correct.

It didn’t work.

What it did achieve was get a whole bunch of black kids in trouble because they had a little pot on them… so much so that the move to decriminalize simple possession became a thing.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T20:26:18.251Z

H_Arendt:

WuWei:

H_Arendt:

No need to dredge up nasty adjectives

First blood.

It worked. You just don’t understand how or why.

I’ve explained how it did not work and pointed to the relevant data. You are insisting you are right with nothing to back up your position. Unless you are able to back up your claims, I will withdraw from this conversation.

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I’ll miss you.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T20:26:47.828Z

No he’s not correct. Why would you tell him that.

Jezcoe · 2019-11-12T20:38:59.528Z

WuWei:

No he’s not correct. Why would you tell him that.

Because he is correct.

The rise in stop and frisks did not in any correlate to a reduction in the murder rate, violent crime or property crime.

Year to year between 85-90% of the stops turned up nothing and it was a disproportionate practice as to Race making it terribly discriminatory.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T20:40:10.813Z

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

No he’s not correct. Why would you tell him that.

Because he is correct.

The rise in stop and frisks did not in any correlate to a reduction in the murder rate, violent crime or property crime.

Year to year between 85-90% of the stops turned up nothing and it was a disproportionate practice as to Race making it terribly discriminatory.

Thanks for stopping by. Have a great day.

PurpnGold · 2019-11-12T20:41:41.484Z

Jezcoe:

Year to year between 85-90% of the stops turned up nothing and it was a disproportionate practice as to Race making it terribly discriminatory.

Exactly. Stop and frisk was a horrible practice.

WuWei · 2019-11-12T20:42:11.069Z

PurpnGold:

Jezcoe:

Year to year between 85-90% of the stops turned up nothing and it was a disproportionate practice as to Race making it terribly discriminatory.

Exactly. Stop and frisk was a horrible practice.

Not because it didn’t work.

PurpnGold · 2019-11-12T20:47:48.233Z

WuWei:

Not because it didn’t work.

I’ve seen data that shows that stop and frisk was irrelevant to the decline in crime. I am assuming you have data that shows the opposite? I’m curious.

Konssurvative1 · 2019-11-12T21:01:05.167Z

Curly Bill thought he had won too. In the end though…Not so much.

Just saying…

Jezcoe · 2019-11-12T21:07:33.986Z

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

No he’s not correct. Why would you tell him that.

Because he is correct.

The rise in stop and frisks did not in any correlate to a reduction in the murder rate, violent crime or property crime.

Year to year between 85-90% of the stops turned up nothing and it was a disproportionate practice as to Race making it terribly discriminatory.

Thanks for stopping by. Have a great day.

Just the type of counter argument that will convince people.

SeaManatee · 2019-11-12T21:12:44.381Z

I’m going to need to see some memes before i am persuaded by either side.

JayJay · 2019-11-12T21:24:00.375Z

SeaManatee:

I’m going to need to see some memes before i am persuaded by either side.

Like this?

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