If you hate the USA so much, you are free to leave

[FlameHeart]

I couldn’t leave. I was a minor, and getting a passport would have been difficult.

Maybe you should understand where the person is coming from and their circumstances before you make such rash arguments.

And frankly if Obummer was still President I would find a way to study abroad, and live out of the country temporarily. Does that answer your question?

[AlexMcAlpine]

@Blackwolf

You didn’t leave when Obama was in power for 8 years. Why should anyone?

I was about to say that myself.

I think that’s the question that perhaps they’re capable of understanding.

[AlexMcAlpine]

@WuWei

No he’s not.

Yes, he is.

[AlexMcAlpine]

@FlameHeart

Maybe you should understand where the person is coming from and their circumstances before you make such rash arguments.

Pot, kettle, black?

[WuWei]

I don’t disagree with you, depending.

In the case of corrupt politicians, I agree. You have every right to change yours.

If you are talking about “fundamentally transforming” then I have a problem with that.

[WuWei]

@AlexMcAlpine

@WuWei

No he’s not.

Yes, he is.

No, he’s not.

[adroit]

@FlameHeart

And frankly if Obummer was still President I would find a way to study abroad, and live out of the country temporarily.

Can you expound on why?

[FlameHeart]

I’m pretty sure you had more freedom than I to move at that time, considering you were an adult?

Heck if money was an issue, I remember Hannity saying he would pay for the passport/airfare.

[moonshine]

@AlexMcAlpine

This was said to me in a thread in a different forum, when I was pointing out that cronyism in our government is bad, has existed since our country was founded, but should nevertheless be eradicated.

And I’ve seen statements like this before. Someone complains about something in the government that they don’t like, and instead of being told, “Well, why don’t you go into politics so you can fix it,” they’re told, “If you hate the US just leave.”

The US is the best country in the world, but it is not perfect and has flaws. What those flaws are depends on what part of the political spectrum you’re on including which party.

But if you are sincere in your beliefs and, rather than whine about issues, actually take steps to change them for what you think is the better, is’t that an attitude that should be prized, rather than, “How dare you try to change this country from the state that it is now in. If you don’t like it, just leave.”

actually it costs 2350 to renounce your citizenship. and if you make more than 150k or so a yer you have to pay an exit tax as if you sold all your assets ont he day you renounce.

and if you dont under US law you are on the hook for taxes on any inocme you have anywhere in the world.

a couple years ago the IRS tried to hit up the PM of the UK for taxes on a condo he sold in the UK since he was technically a us citizen,having been born here and never renounced it. he left the US when he was 5

[Samson_Corwell]

@AlexMcAlpine

This was said to me in a thread in a different forum, when I was pointing out that cronyism in our government is bad, has existed since our country was founded, but should nevertheless be eradicated.

And I’ve seen statements like this before. Someone complains about something in the government that they don’t like, and instead of being told, “Well, why don’t you go into politics so you can fix it,” they’re told, “If you hate the US just leave.”

The US is the best country in the world, but it is not perfect and has flaws. What those flaws are depends on what part of the political spectrum you’re on including which party.

But if you are sincere in your beliefs and, rather than whine about issues, actually take steps to change them for what you think is the better, is’t that an attitude that should be prized, rather than, “How dare you try to change this country from the state that it is now in. If you don’t like it, just leave.”

Alex, it is bar none the most retarded counter to any objection made to any kind of policy.

I’ll build on what you have to say by listing several examples that people of various political leanings would consider absurd:

• “If you don’t like slavery so much, then move to England.” (If this was the time before the Civil War.)
• “If you don’t an income tax so much, then don’t have an income.”
• “If you don’t like your employer’s practices, then work for someone else.”

@AngraMainyu was once asked why he didn’t move to another country if he liked socialism so much. His response was succinct and glorious: “Because America is my country.”.

[NebraskaFootball]

@WuWei

@AlexMcAlpine

@FlameHeart

Obama also trampled the Constitution and so did Bush 43.

Trump is doing the same thing, only worse.

And I am a Republican, not a liberal or a democrat.

No he’s not.

Trump* is definitely the true defender of the Constitution. He definitely is not trampling the Constitution. Not at all. Don’t believe what you see with your eyes. Don’t believe what you hear with your ears. These are not the droids you’re looking for.

*3rd Impeached President of the United States

[CanadianJudo]

@FlameHeart

Well, I mean, if you want socialism or center-left policies, go to any one of the countries that have those instead of trying to shut down other people and the Constitution. Obama also trampled the Constitution and so did Bush 43. (Obama with a more socialized version of medicine and Bush with the NSA).

The U.S. was founded on Libertarian/Classical Liberal ideals, thus, it should be kept true to that. Don’t sit there and try to deprive other people of their rights in order to exercise your own. Move to Canada if you like their policies better. But the U.S has a different set of ideals.

so if someone doesn’t agree with your narrow view of what “America” should be like they should leave.

[Blackwolf]

Not a rash argument at all. And forgive me if you thought I was referring specifically to you, rather it was to you (collective).

[FlameHeart]

Inflation, cost of living going up, school becoming more expensive due to an increase in the former. All financial.

[AlexMcAlpine]

@WuWei

No, he’s not.

Yes, he is.

I can continue this unproductive back-and-forth all day.

[Samson_Corwell]

@FlameHeart

Well, I mean, if you want socialism or center-left policies, go to any one of the countries that have those…

Why? Why would someone who thinks another social system is good do this? Like they’re just going to say “You’re right. My bad.”? This line of thinking is absurd.

[CanadianJudo]

@conan

Those that are pushing authoritarian state and preying on young minds to advance their authority makes me question their love for our Constitution.

There is nothing authoritarian about questing someone love for their country because they don’t agree with you politically.

have you hugged a flag today?

[FlameHeart]

It’s not my view. It’s the Constitution. We have laws that everyone, including government officials, must follow. Please reread my post.

[rp5x5]

@AlexMcAlpine

If you hate the US just leave.”

Go for it. Just go where your leftist masters wreck nations.

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[Blackwolf]

@FlameHeart

And frankly if Obummer was still President I would find a way to study abroad, and live out of the country temporarily. Does that answer your question?

But specific to you, yes - had you been older and with the resources you would have left the country during the Obama years. That answered the question, thank you.

Would you have also renounced your US citizenship, or just waited until a Republican was back in the White House?