If you hate the USA so much, you are free to leave

FlameHeart · 2020-01-23T22:41:03.140Z

Depends on what you view as corrupt, and whether there is evidence to back up the assertion of corruption.

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T22:41:15.571Z

FlameHeart:

Obama also trampled the Constitution and so did Bush 43.

Trump is doing the same thing, only worse.

And I am a Republican, not a liberal or a democrat.

conan · 2020-01-23T22:41:48.289Z

What has Trump done that trample on our Constitution?

FlameHeart · 2020-01-23T22:42:17.071Z

There is the implication that he would ban bumpstocks…

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T22:43:16.875Z

FlameHeart:

Depends on what you view as corrupt, and whether there is evidence to back up the assertion of corruption.

You don’t think our government is infested with corrupt politicians?

Cronyism. That’s when a President or other politician gets elected to office, and then appoints his friends or relatives who have no qualifications to head important government offices or become ambassadors to other countries.

So that would include Biden’s son, as well as all of Trump’s family.

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T22:45:45.697Z

conan:

What has Trump done that trample on our Constitution?

He’s issued more executive orders than Obama.

He’s betrayed our Kurdish allies and is responsible for all the deaths that happened when Turkey invaded as any idiot would know they’d do.

He’s gotten us involved in a stupid trade war that has cost us billions and will continue to do so.

He’s ripped apart national parks and is selling that land to the highest bidder.

He’s turned our soldiers into mercenaries, going from getting us out of a forever war to sending our soldiers to Saudi for pay - a country that is not our friend.

And so on and on and on

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T22:46:31.497Z

FlameHeart:

There is the implication that he would ban bumpstocks…

He’d intended to do more at one point…then the NRA contacted him and all of a sudden his plans on that score changed, real quick.

mobulis · 2020-01-23T22:50:10.961Z

FlameHeart:

Well, I mean, if you want socialism or center-left policies, go to any one of the countries that have those instead of trying to shut down other people and the Constitution. Obama also trampled the Constitution and so did Bush 43. (Obama with a more socialized version of medicine and Bush with the NSA).

The U.S. was founded on Libertarian/Classical Liberal ideals, thus, it should be kept true to that. Don’t sit there and try to deprive other people of their rights in order to exercise your own. Move to Canada if you like their policies better. But the U.S has a different set of ideals.

Nope, we’re going to change this country. Don’t like it leave.

hindsight · 2020-01-23T22:50:39.404Z

conan:

Those that are pushing authoritarian state and preying on young minds to advance their authority makes me question their love for our Constitution.

Guess you’ve never seen a Trump rally.

conan · 2020-01-23T22:52:13.920Z

AlexMcAlpine:

He’s issued more executive orders than Obama.

How many of them were to undo Obama’s executive orders?

AlexMcAlpine:

He’s betrayed our Kurdish allies and is responsible for all the deaths that happened when Turkey invaded as any idiot would know they’d do.

What the ■■■■ does that have to do with our Constitution?

AlexMcAlpine:

He’s gotten us involved in a stupid trade war that has cost us billions and will continue to do so.

That’s his job under our Constitution.

AlexMcAlpine:

He’s ripped apart national parks and is selling that land to the highest bidder.

Did he? Which national parks? Or did he undo Obama EO?

Seems to me someone needs to read up on role of executive branch and our Constitution.

Blackwolf · 2020-01-23T23:00:37.262Z

You didn’t leave when Obama was in power for 8 years. Why should anyone?

FlameHeart · 2020-01-23T23:02:59.892Z

The Constitution is the law of the land. It takes 2/3 of the legislature or a Constitutional Convention that most states must agree to. Perhaps if you don’t want to follow the law, you should show yourself the door- metaphorical door.

WuWei · 2020-01-23T23:03:23.147Z

AlexMcAlpine:

FlameHeart:

Obama also trampled the Constitution and so did Bush 43.

Trump is doing the same thing, only worse.

And I am a Republican, not a liberal or a democrat.

No he’s not.

NebraskaFootball · 2020-01-23T23:04:06.521Z

conan:

Those that are pushing authoritarian state and preying on young minds to advance their authority makes me question their love for our Constitution.

Irony is ironical.

Donald Trump* is far and away one of the most authoritarian politicians in office in a generation. Those who have read the evidence and briefs submitted by his legal team to the Judiciary are very much aware of this fact.

Knowledge is power. It’s hard to take any Trump* supporter seriously when they complain about authoritarianism.

*3rd Impeached President of the United States

NebraskaFootball · 2020-01-23T23:04:45.292Z

conan:

What has Trump done that trample on our Constitution?

This must be a joke.

FlameHeart · 2020-01-23T23:05:41.599Z

I couldn’t leave. I was a minor, and getting a passport would have been difficult.

Maybe you should understand where the person is coming from and their circumstances before you make such rash arguments.

And frankly if Obummer was still President I would find a way to study abroad, and live out of the country temporarily. Does that answer your question?

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T23:05:53.766Z

Blackwolf:

You didn’t leave when Obama was in power for 8 years. Why should anyone?

I was about to say that myself.

I think that’s the question that perhaps they’re capable of understanding.

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T23:06:22.690Z

WuWei:

No he’s not.

Yes, he is.

AlexMcAlpine · 2020-01-23T23:06:59.066Z

FlameHeart:

Maybe you should understand where the person is coming from and their circumstances before you make such rash arguments.

Pot, kettle, black?

WuWei · 2020-01-23T23:07:25.166Z

I don’t disagree with you, depending.

In the case of corrupt politicians, I agree. You have every right to change yours.

If you are talking about “fundamentally transforming” then I have a problem with that.