I was on my way to work tonight

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

A lot of people in Southern Utah Fly the confederate flag.

Dixie state University used to be home of the “Rebels” that incorporated the confederate flag.

Then they got changed to thed “red storm” with a different mascot that some felt was to close to the old “rebel” (but didn’t habe the flag.

Now they are the Dixie Trailblazers with a buffalo as their mascot.

It still makes no sense for the Confederate flag to be flown in Utah.

It doesn’t make much sense to fly it anywhere but especially in places that were not part of the Confederacy.

One is free to do so of course, but in 2019 they shouldn’t act surprised if someone thinks that they are an idiot for doing so.

[party-free]

But seriously, I think the general idea is that the confederate flag was carried into battle by people who actively engaged in sedition against a nation that only demanded one thing of them…that they are no longer allowed to own another person because they are black.

And every last person that carried that flag into battle was willing to die for it. That’s the heritage some cling to-being willing to die fighting an oppressive government. The problem is reconciling a government that will no longer allow you to own, beat, and kill a person because of their skin color as “oppressive.”

It would be one thing if defenders of the confederacy could say “I admire their courage, but they were fighting for the wrong cause.” There’s this deep-seated reluctance to just be able to say “their cause was not righteous.” And I get that it was a different time…but the year is now 2019, and it should be easy for us all to look back and admit that what they south was fighting for was wrong.

[Jezcoe]

@TheRedComet

That’s just… Odd.

I have very mixed feelings about the confederate flag even though I’m from a part of the world where you can’t go five feet without seeing one.

On a personal level I don’t care for it. But I don’t judge people for flying it.

Oh I completely judge people for flying it.

I am actually thankful that they fly it.

Saves me time.

[TheRedComet]

I’m saying that the people who fly that flag are misinformed.

It represents one of two things.

1. The Army of Northern Virginia, a military force that fought for a nation founded to protect and expand slavery.

2. The modern use beginning in the 1950s as a symbol for segregationists to rally around in defiance of integration.

Most of the people who fly it have a misguided view that it represents southern heritage and southern bravery in the civil war. Which is patently false.

[TheRedComet]

That’s exactly how I see it.

My two ancestors who served the confederacy were brave men. But they fought for the wrong cause. They fought for an immoral, unjust cause. And as a consequence they, like millions of other southerners, lost everything for their foolish decisions. Their decisions devastated the south for two generations.

[Jezcoe]

@TheRedComet

I’m saying that the people who fly that flag are misinformed.

It represents one of two things.

1. The Army of Northern Virginia, a military force that fought for a nation founded to protect and expand slavery.

2. The modern use beginning in the 1950s as a symbol for segregationists to rally around in defiance of integration.

Most of the people who fly it have a misguided view that it represents southern heritage and southern bravery in the civil war. Which is patently false.

In 2019, there is little excuse.

They have been told.

[TheRedComet]

When something is drilled into you from the time you are young it’s hard to overcome.

The issue of the confederacy never came up in my household. But I have friends who were basically indoctrinated into believing the Lost Cause theory.

It’s hard to overcome that and accept that your views and more importantly the views of your parents are wrong.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

@Jezcoe

@TheRedComet

That’s just… Odd.

I have very mixed feelings about the confederate flag even though I’m from a part of the world where you can’t go five feet without seeing one.

On a personal level I don’t care for it. But I don’t judge people for flying it.

Oh I completely judge people for flying it.

I am actually thankful that they fly it.

Saves me time.

Me too.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

@Jezcoe

@TheRedComet

I’m saying that the people who fly that flag are misinformed.

It represents one of two things.

1. The Army of Northern Virginia, a military force that fought for a nation founded to protect and expand slavery.

2. The modern use beginning in the 1950s as a symbol for segregationists to rally around in defiance of integration.

Most of the people who fly it have a misguided view that it represents southern heritage and southern bravery in the civil war. Which is patently false.

In 2019, there is little excuse.

They have been told.

It’s flown with pride.

[noSpaces]

The guy flying it could be a transplant, or wannabe, or just a troll.

[TheRedComet]

And honestly I believe that we, as southerners, never actually confronted the reality of what happened in our names during that time.

The German people confronted their past and learned from the experience. Outside of die hard Nazis, you don’t find Germans who have a romantic view of World War II and what Germany done and suffered through.

The south never confronted its past in that manner. Instead excuses and romantic revisionism were formed to JUSTIFY what was done. Rather than simply accepting it and moving on.

[Snow96]

You know why and how Utah was founded right?

[Jezcoe]

@TheRedComet

When something is drilled into you from the time you are young it’s hard to overcome.

The issue of the confederacy never came up in my household. But I have friends who were basically indoctrinated into believing the Lost Cause theory.

It’s hard to overcome that and accept that your views and more importantly the views of your parents are wrong.

When this came up with my family, they started to go on about “heritage” and the like and my response is… well… they don’t know you.

You are putting out there for strangers that you identify yourself with a flag that was the symbol of the Confederacy… and even though it may mean something else to you… it means something terrible to them. So just don’t act surprised or offended if a stranger thinks that you are a racist ■■■■■■■ for flying it because in reality, they would be correct 90% of the time for making that assumption.

[Jezcoe]

@TheRedComet

And honestly I believe that we, as southerners, never actually confronted the reality of what happened in our names during that time.

The German people confronted their past and learned from the experience. Outside of die hard Nazis, you don’t find Germans who have a romantic view of World War II and what Germany done and suffered through.

The south never confronted its past in that manner. Instead excuses and romantic revisionism were formed to JUSTIFY what was done. Rather than simply accepting it and moving on.

We a absolutely were never taught what slavery, Jim Crow and it’s effects really were.

I learned a lot about carpet baggers and got off of school for Lee-Jackson-King day though.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

You know why and how Utah was founded right?

Utah was barely a blip on the Civil war map. No one can’t even pretend it was even close to being a player.

Flying a confederate flag in Utah is the same thing as flying a confederate flag in Maine… something that I see all the time.

[TheRedComet]

I’m a good bit younger than you and I remember the emphasis placed on “Robert E. Lee” day. That crap still goes on today.

That’s actually why I support changing my state’s flag. When I was younger I didn’t really care one way or the other. But there’s no reason for the battle flag motif to be in it.

Funny thing is I actually support the state returning to its civil war flag. It was a magnolia tree on a white, blue, and red backdrop.

That should satisfy both sides. We get rid of the battle flag motif that’s irreparably tainted and we still get a much less controversial civil war historical icon.

[Jezcoe]

@TheRedComet

I’m a good bit younger than you and I remember the emphasis placed on “Robert E. Lee” day. That crap still goes on today.

That’s actually why I support changing my state’s flag. When I was younger I didn’t really care one way or the other. But there’s no reason for the battle flag motif to be in it.

Funny thing is I actually support the state returning to its civil war flag. It was a magnolia tree on a white, blue, and red backdrop.

That should satisfy both sides. We get rid of the battle flag motif that’s irreparably tainted and we still get a much less controversial civil war historical icon.

The memorial where my ancestor who fought for the Confederacy is buried flies the stars and bars and not the battle flag.

It is more historically accurate and not nearly as culturally loaded.

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

Utah was barely a blip on the Civil war map. No one can’t even pretend it was even close to being a player.

Flying a confederate flag in Utah is the same thing as flying a confederate flag in Maine… something that I see all the time.

You do know why and how Utah was founded right? Simple yes or no question. Has nothing to do (sort of) with the Civil war.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

Utah was barely a blip on the Civil war map. No one can’t even pretend it was even close to being a player.

Flying a confederate flag in Utah is the same thing as flying a confederate flag in Maine… something that I see all the time.

You do know why and how Utah was founded right? Simple yes or no question. Has nothing to do (sort of) with the Civil war.

It was part of the 1850 compromise.

It still wasn’t really a player in the war.

[Plasmaball]

What she didnt like was an excuse. She was gonna cheat on you regardless.