I love Dershowitzes new defense...lol

[Guilds]

@Oryx

The idea that libs don’t think Democrats would abuse this power has been thoroughly debunked in this thread by libs pointing out that, yes, indeed, Democrats would absolutely abuse this power.

Of course, Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely .

[enki]

Remember when Nixon said, "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal”?

Then he resigned?

Those were fun times.

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@H_Arendt

@DougBH

@H_Arendt

The matter is much simpler. The Senate is looking at a calculus. 70% of the American public want Bolton to testify. Trump does not. Who are they more afraid of? Answer is obvious and the damage is enormous.

We didn’t need the courts for every other Senate impeachment trial to hear witnesses.

Odd argument about what polls show people want when Schiff is arguing we need an impeachment because we can’t trust the voters to make the right decision.

Not at all. Last Saturday, Trump’s defense team said the House case was not proven because there was no direct evidence of Trump’s malfeasance. Then a witness emerged who is willing to provide that direct evidence of that malfeasance.

There have been two Republican arguments:

1. We don’t need to hear the evidence that yesterday we insisted was required.
2. Whatever the evidence is, the fix is in to acquit so the insistence that evidence mattered was just a charade.

Its a cover-up plain and simple. The point of the polls is that the majority of Americans recognize its a cover-up but the Republican Senators are more interested in serving Trump than the people. Shameful.

And they are acting like there isn’t going to be more stuff coming out about this issue and others in the coming months.

If they don’t call witnesses like Bolton now and just acquit the President, then the campaign ads just write themselves

As opposed to what? Tacitly admitting holding up aid when one of your reasons was to hurt your political opponent is an impeachable offense and then have Bolton testify one of his reasons was to get Ukraine to investigate him?

Pretty bad… I know.

Why the GOP and the supporters are going to let it stand is beyond me.

[DougBH]

@ImRightYoureWrong

@zantax

Sure, just like it’s obvious that Burisma hiring Hunter was a bribe to get Biden to help them out.

Funny how there is no evidence at all for that

Just amazing that people who can read Trumps mind and determine that his motive was for political gain cant figure out that if a corrupt organization in Ukraine hires Biden’s son right after Biden is made point man for Obama in Ukraine, they want something more than his background as a dopey.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@DougBH

Just amazing that people who can read Trumps mind and determine that his motive was for political gain cant figure out that if a corrupt organization in Ukraine hires Biden’s son right after Biden is made point man for Obama in Ukraine, they want something more than his background as a dopey.

We don’t have to read his mind. Read the “transcript”. Look at the testimony and evidence.

Of course, Trump’s “mind” could be cleared up. You know with new witness accounts and/or testimony from those ordered to not cooperate.

We know why that isn’t happening.

[conan]

You do understand I was replying to OP?

I get it…you libs “got this” so there is no need for you Trump supports to participate in this thread…hell our forum.

And I don’t always read every libs posts here. Oh wait…you all think I cling to every word they say.

That’s so cute…

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@DougBH

cant figure out that if a corrupt organization in Ukraine hires Biden’s son right after Biden is made point man for Obama in Ukraine, they want something more than his background as a dopey.

2+2=4?

[Camp]

I posted numerous times about the multiple valid motives for asking to look into Biden never being able to be resolved and the Trump legal team did a fine job emphasizing this.

[Camp]

Please don’t reveal out user skimming speed reading techniques…

[ImRightYoureWrong]

If they were so valid, it would have been done years ago and not under the direction of a personal lawyer, hidden from the DOD and state department

[Camp]

You have convinced me the concept is more advanced that I had thought it to be.

Thanks!

[conan]

What’s even funnier they still think this is there forum.

[DougBH]

@ImRightYoureWrong

If they were so valid, it would have been done years ago and not under the direction of a personal lawyer, hidden from the DOD and state department

What the heck would the DoD have to do with this? Send in the army?

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@DougBH

What the heck would the DoD have to do with this? Send in the army?

They are regularly included in discussions / debates about the withholding of military aid. You do realize the department of defense deals with military subjects? Do we have no US troops in the region?

[acsirip]

@conan

What’s even funnier they still think this is there forum.

This forum is yours?

[DougBH]

Ok. Get it.

[Oryx]

@conan

You do understand I was replying to OP?

And you understand your post was debunked before you even posted it? Your post was false, and you seem upset that I pointed it out.

@conan

I get it…you libs “got this” so there is no need for you Trump supports to participate in this thread…hell our forum.

And I don’t always read every libs posts here. Oh wait…you all think I cling to every word they say.

That’s so cute…

No need to get emotional about it. I didn’t suggest you shouldn’t participate in the thread.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

The fact that they were kept in the dark along with the state department on the reasons for the out of the blue suspension, even though the aid was certified, further provides evidence that the hold wasn’t foreign policy based

[Camp]

Not much reason for them to think otherwise or feel at all unwelcome.

Ironically I have been listening to a lot more of Sean’s radio show. He has had Bill O’Reilly on a few times recently and has been doing a solid and informative show with a lot of very good guests.

[Camp]

The justification and time of the pause was fine.

No evidence was presented that showed otherwise.

Heaven knows we have heard the same back and forth a hundred times now.