You can both say that again! 
What happened to the get the vax or submit to weekly testing?
I’d like to see everyone having a rapid test daily before clocking in, if we are going to really want to protect the employees. My vax coworker can give me Covid too.
One of the outpatient clinics in my hospital group had a breakthrough case and she had sat at the front desk and been in contact with every single patient that came through as well as every employee in her department. Of course she was wearing PPE. But , surprise surprise, 2 of the staff got Covid as well. Entire department shut down for 10 days.
Forgot to add, we screen and take our temps each day before we can clock in. She was fine in the am, started feeling bad around 1:00 pm and went home. Went to her dr. And they tested her.
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Do you not understand business is being pressured by our government to do these things? Heard of the huge fines to businesses with over 100 people if they do not comply?
I suspect the SC may rule these mandates unconstitutional at some point.
Do you not understand that the government seeks to control us and that is a dangerous step to allow them to get by with? A 1st step toward socialism quite likely.
I think folks should be allowed to make their own choices regarding these vaccines. I chose to take the vaccine knowing full well there are risks with it. I just figured the covid risk was greater and rolled the dice. Had a scary 16 hours following the 2nd dose too. Never had that with traditional vaccines.
I don’t get folks pretending it is just as safe as vaccines of the past. This is an entirely different animal.
Iceland has suspended allowing Moderna to be given to school age children because of cases of heart inflammation.
They are studying it while it is suspended.
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What is up with both sides presenting Iceland as a model? It’s a country about the size of Connecticut, and with a fraction of the U S population.
Here is a link about vaccination mandates in the U S:
It appears most E O to vaccinate pertain to government employees and health care workers whose venues receive federal funding from Medicare & Medicaid. It’s the ol’ we’re paying for something, these are our terms.
Those providers who accept neither Medicare nor Medicaid funding, more numerous in some areas than others, don’t appear to be covered. That veterinary clinic that’s cash pay?
Well, my old familiar is still operating his clinic with call when you arrive, no waiting room, mask mandate, but the one at closer to home Petsmart appears a bit more relaxed.
As for myocarditis? Iceland is a white majority, if not exclusively white, part of the world, and vaccination caused myocarditis appears primarily in young, white men for reasons unknown.
It’s a smaller percentage of myocarditis cases than classic myocarditis, and recovery tends to be quicker than from classic myocarditis:
Iceland as a country would be more affected by vaccination induced myocarditis than a country with a more varied population as the U S, and it’s interesting the Moderna vaccination has shown this effect but not the Pfizer.
I’d rather suffer whatever side effects of a vaccination there are than any particular illness it’s designed to prevent, although I do understand those who cannot receive COVID-19 vaccination due to health reasons and those who opt out of Heptovax B and HPV vaccinations. The spread of those is bloodborne & sexually transmitted, definitely not the same as being coughed on in an elevator.
Maybe they are happy to do it. But I don’t see a lot of places doing it on their own without the mandate. But that could be because they are afraid of losing business to competition. Not because they don’t want to.
I don’t think there is any reason for it as far as their business is concerned. If you’re vaccinated what are you worried about? Even if you caught it, you should get mild symptoms. How does it benefit the business?
I think a lot of the vaccine hesitance is because it is seemingly being pushed on everyone. People in this country like to push back. I can see if I was young and healthy me not getting the vaccine. I don’t get a vaccine for you, I get it for me. If I’ve already had Covid, or I’m healthy enough to not worry about Covid, why would I get the Vaccine? I wouldn’t.
I took a risk assessment and came to the conclusion that I could not reasonably flip the vaccine the bird. That’s why I got the vaccine. As far as a booster goes, they can take that booster and plunge it into their orbital sockets, I’m not getting that. If they make another vaccine for a new strain, I’ll probably get that.
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Unvaccinated people are more likely to be infected, and are contagious for longer periods of time. So having them in your establishment increases the likely hood of exposure to your staff.
Yes, you staff met likely won’t die - assuming they are vaccinated - but they will miss work if they get covid. And of course they then might put others at risk, keeping the pandemic going.
Yeah, this is the problem right here. No one cares about doing anything for others.
Your staff is vaccinated, what are you worried about? Isn’t it extremely rare for a breakthrough? C’mon now…
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You know, I’m not sure the staff has to be vaccinated…am I wrong about that? Is there a mandate for food servers to vaccinated?
But again, even if they are, and even if breakthroughs are rare, if they get sick, they miss work. That hurts the owner.
Also, watched Mark Cuban say it best about his basket ball team’s vaccination mandate for fans - you’ve got cancer patients, immunosurpressed people, and old people - like Colin Powell old - coming to games (or restaurants) and they deserve to have the best level of protection they can reasonably have. That means vaccination or negative test.
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Most places of business aren’t requiring it. I know Dunkin’ Donuts, Five Guys, and Jersey Mike’s don’t even require masks to enter their stores. At least not by me. I do notice Wawa and Lowe’s do require their employees to wear masks. Shoprite also does but Stop and Shop doesn’t. No place requires masks or vaccine to enter.
Yeah, I was talking about about the NYC places that require vaccination. I wonder what percentage of those workers are vaccinated.
I’d guess over 90%. You see everyone wearing masks that don’t have to wear them outside, I’m assuming they are vaxxed. Because most of the people worried are vaxxed.
Here’s an interesting situation. Maybe you can shed some light on this. We’re not forced to Vax at my job nor are we required to mask up. We have a very low vax rate but the people that aren’t vaxxed wear a mask. Why not just get vaxxed? I don’t get it. If you’re so worried, the Vax will help you way more than a mask.
Amazing.
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You got me. And I totally agree.
If you are worried about covid, the vaccination is the best tool to protect you and your family and your community.
Makes no sense.
Obviously a handful might be immunocompromised or on chemo, but not many…
It is. And sad.
Ted Williams says it best on Fox:
Neil, this is a no-brainer,” said Williams. “You are police officers. You are public servants. You are public servants that come in contact with citizens on a daily basis. Get the damn vaccine!”
Williams pointed out that a former union president died of Covid-19. “These officers do not have a right to dictate to the city the manner in which they are going to work,” he said. “They can bargain with it as unions do all the time, but get the vaccine. Get the needle in your arm! You are protecting not only yourself, you’re protecting the citizens, and you’re protecting your family that you have to go home to every night. This is just so dumb and stupid.”
Thank you Ted Williams.
Iceland doesn’t count eh? 
Do you think the heart inflammation is confined to Iceland? It is happening in the US too.
As an example the local news did a report on a local division 1 athlete who had the heart inflammation and has been in and out of hospitals since. He seldom has a day without his heart hurting him.
A lady we went to church with died about 4 days after her 2nd shot. She was in early 70’s with zero health problems up till then. Doubt you would willingly suffer that side effect.
What i am saying is this vaccine is different from those in the past and folks should be allowed to make their own choices after weighing all sides and talking to their Drs.
The government is strong arming businesses to try to force folks to get the shots whether they like it or not which is just plain wrong and probably unconstitutional. The same government is allowing hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated illegal to pour across the border without requiring those people to be vaccinated. Go figure. 
It’s a bad step to allow the woke libs running this administration to get by with as well because as the old saying goes give them an inch and they will take a mile.
Some would love nothing better than to turn us into a socialist/communist country.
I’m kinda glad i took it since i survived a very harsh reaction to shot 2 however i am up in the air about pressing my luck and taking a booster.
Haven’t decided yet.
two of my daughters and son in laws are being pressure to take the vaccines in spite of already having the covid and having better immunity than the vaccinated.
Part of the one size fits all the government is attempting to force on everyone.
Bottom line is i’m not anti vaxx but am certainly anti-mandate.
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We that about sums up the entirety of anti-vaxxing during a pandemic that’s killed almost 3/4 of a million people.
