RTchoke
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When you have an entire floor of a hospital closed due to staff shortages because you are kicking out the unclean workers you have no moral stance to start bitching about how there is no room at the inn.
And yes, that is an actual example of a local situation.
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WuWei
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Why should we waste vaccine on them?
You were bitching about my moral stance before you knew about the nursing shortage and before they started laying people off. Please save it.
johnwk2
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Well, instead of telling someone to “save it”, why not defend your moral stance?
JWK
When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.
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I guess people didn’t realize vaccination is a prerequisite to solid organ transplant. People can clutch their pearls all they want. This is not a new requirement. Most of the time vaccinations are required for household members as well.
And before people talk about a donor wanting it for a specific recipient, it doesn’t matter. Solid organ transplant is an expensive time consuming process that doesn’t stop with the surgery. It’s a lifetime of management to prevent rejection and complication. You maximize the potential to have long term viability of the transplant organ. That means vaccination. If someone refuses to maximize the chance of long term transplant viability, you move on. That is also not new.
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Indeed. And you have to wash yourself with antibacterial soap at least the night before the procedure. Organ transplants are perhaps more risky than surgeries because you are given immunosuppressant drugs. Someone undergoing the procedure has to be pathogen-free.
Are flu vaccines required?
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Yes
The full AST paper is behind a paywall. Here is a summary.
Prior to transplantation, all transplant candidates and their household members should have completed the full complement of recommended vaccinations; vaccination status should be reviewed upon first visit and a vaccine strategy should be developed. Inactivated vaccines should be administered 2 weeks prior to transplantation, while live-attenuated vaccines should be administered at least 4 weeks before organ transplant.
Healthcare workers, family members, close contacts, and the pets of transplant candidates should be fully immunized. These individuals should receive a yearly influenza vaccine, preferably the inactivated influenza vaccine rather than the live-attenuated influenza vaccine. The measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) and varicella vaccines are strongly recommended in household members and close contacts to prevent exposure of transplant patients to wild type viruses.
Influenza Vaccine
The AST IDCOP strongly recommends influenza vaccination for all transplant candidates and recipients. In the post-transplant setting, a high-dose or booster dosing is preferred over standard dosing. Live-attenuated influenza vaccines are strongly recommended against; if a live vaccine is inadvertently given to a transplant recipient, antiviral therapy should be administered, and the patient may be subsequently revaccinated with the inactivated vaccine.
Healthcare workers and close contacts of transplant recipients should also receive inactivated influenza vaccine; however, if live-attenuated influenza vaccine is the only option, infection prevention precautions should be used.
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For completeness sake, the American Society of Transplantation (guidelines referred to in my previous post), along with an international society of transplantation released a SARS-CoV-2 statement/recommendation.
https://www.myast.org/sites/default/files/ast%20ishlt%20guidance%20vaccine%2008132021FINAL%20DRAFT2.pdf
Based on the above information, we strongly recommend the following until further data are available:
• All solid organ transplant recipients should be vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, using locally
approved vaccines.
• All eligible household and close contacts of SOT recipients should be vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 to minimize risks to the recipient.
• Whenever possible, vaccination should occur prior to transplantation (ideally with completion of
vaccine series a minimum of 2 weeks prior to transplant).
o We support the development of institutional policies regarding pre-transplant vaccination as
we believe that this is in the best interest of the transplant candidate, optimizing their chances
of being safely transplanted, especially at times of greater infection prevalence.
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If you need a transplant to survive, getting a vaccine should be the least of your problems.
So is staying out of prison for at least three months
Thank you.
I think if my kidneys (most common transplant) failed I’d simply talk to that doctor about end of life care.
There is a lot of false hope when a kidney potentially becomes available. Anti rejection drugs needed for a lifetime are covered for the average lifespan of a transplant recipient during the 1970s—three years.
I saw my old cat to her end with kidney failure. End of life is a part of life, too, and in the absence of a functioning kidney I’d embrace it.
My insurance when I worked for a Florida health care provider did charge a high deductible for accident victims not wearing a seatbelt or the drunk driver in an accident.
Dental did reduce 80% covered expenses to 50% if their records didn’t show even one preventive exam/cleaning in a 12 month period.
Why should insurance cover costly care when a simple preventive is available?
Blood donation has minimum requirements. Why wouldn’t organ transplantation?
My husband has chronic kidney disease. His nephrologist did not feel the Covid vaccine was necessary for him since he had already had the virus.
I don’t care what you do I care what you are trying to force, pressure, condemn others to do.
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No one is trying to force those who CANNOT receive the vaccination to do so, but are having a big problem with those who CAN contributing to the spread of the virus & pushing patients with other problems out of care.
Even those signing mandates are offering Option B, medical/religious exemptions.
You do know that vax people CAN “contribute to the spread of the virus”? You act like it’s 1 in a million.
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Those with vaccinations, as pointed out by the O P, aren’t pushing other sick out of hospital beds.
Their symptoms are more mild & they tend to recover at home, as numerous members of my own family & vaccinated friends who caught the disease have done.
I’m with the O P one this one. I’d be livid were I a doctor who had to discharge a patient on intravenous antibiotic to accommodate an unvaccinated COVID patient in respiratory failure. If that many are requiring hospitalization, they should have separate hospitals—much like tuberculosis sanitariums exclusively for their care.
I know 2 vax hospitalized people right now. Most people tend to recover at home vax or not. Yes 80% of the people in my hospital group are not vax. But that means 20% are.
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This is a direct donation from a friend or relative to this person and the health system is being a pompous ass in refusing to allow the transplant because the donor hasn’t been vaccinated.
Toe the line or else! If I were a family member i would be furious with those pompous clowns.
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