"I have to live with someone else's choice"

[Samm]

@SimplyTrying

@Cratic3947

How many millions have died since roe v wade… Leftism always seems to cause mass death.

You just made guns very jealous. They want to be the ones to cause mass death.

Equating guns to leftists. Funny.

[Samm]

@Cratic3947

@SimplyTrying

@Cratic3947

How many millions have died since roe v wade… Leftism always seems to cause mass death.

You just made guns very jealous. They want to be the ones to cause mass death.

I don’t think murders by shooting even come close to the amount of abortions. It’s like 60 million abortions since Roe… Almost as many as people as unfettered socialism killed last century…

And if you compare the number of abortions to only those killed by guns who were children, the ratio is even more astounding. It is unconscionable that anyone would point at deaths due to gunshot as a rational for abortions. It boggles the mind that anyone would even think it let alone bring it up in this thread.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

If the woman deems it so.

“I brought you into this world, I can take you out.” is not a legal concept.

Sneaky asked, I answered.

[Tangible08]

Most fertilized eggs are not carried to term by natural processes. Should we hold a funeral every time this occurs? A fetus has not achieved personhood.

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

If the woman deems it so.

“I brought you into this world, I can take you out.” is not a legal concept.

Sneaky asked, I answered.

Yeah, and I suppose that was the best reply you could muster.

[Samm]

@Tangible08

Most fertilized eggs are not carried to term by natural processes. Should we hold a funeral every time this occurs? A fetus has not achieved personhood.

If a fertilized egg (a blastocyst actually) does not implant in the womb and is spontaneously aborted it occurs before becoming a fetus (which occurs at about 9 weeks.) But to you question … no, WE should not do anything. How a family chooses to deal with the loss of an offspring is entirely up to them. Many women who have miscarriages have a funeral for their dead baby, many don’t.

[SimplyTrying]

@Samm

@Cratic3947

@SimplyTrying

@Cratic3947

How many millions have died since roe v wade… Leftism always seems to cause mass death.

You just made guns very jealous. They want to be the ones to cause mass death.

I don’t think murders by shooting even come close to the amount of abortions. It’s like 60 million abortions since Roe… Almost as many as people as unfettered socialism killed last century…

And if you compare the number of abortions to only those killed by guns who were children, the ratio is even more astounding. It is unconscionable that anyone would point at deaths due to gunshot as a rational for abortions. It boggles the mind that anyone would even think it let alone bring it up in this thread.

It’s just an interpretation problem on your part.

[Plasmaball]

You arent getting the statement. Dozens of eggs never make it to the womb period. The body blocks them. It’s not a miscarriage. It’s not an abortion. It’s the body taking care of things naturally.

The law and pro life people are in direct conflict with a womans body

[Tangible08]

@Samm

@Tangible08

Most fertilized eggs are not carried to term by natural processes. Should we hold a funeral every time this occurs? A fetus has not achieved personhood.

If a fertilized egg (a blastocyst actually) does not implant in the womb and is spontaneously aborted it occurs before becoming a fetus (which occurs at about 9 weeks.) But to you question … no, WE should not do anything. How a family chooses to deal with the loss of an offspring is entirely up to them. Many women who have miscarriages have a funeral for their dead baby, many don’t.

The point is most women are not even aware of all the times their body aborts fertilized eggs, yet society does not treat this as a tragedy. We clearly recognize that conception does not imply personhood. Unless, of course, Christians think all these fertilized eggs are in heaven or something.

[Guvnah]

@Tangible08

The point is most women are not even aware of all the times their body aborts fertilized eggs, yet society does not treat this as a tragedy.

The tragedy is when a woman deliberately kills her own child.

[Tangible08]

@Guvnah

The tragedy is when a woman deliberately kills her own child.

It’s fine to not like abortions, it’s a totally different thing to try to control what a person does with their internal body.

[Tangible08]

@Guvnah

@Tangible08

There are no funerals for this. Do these eggs go to heaven?

Another grasping-at-straw question.

Why is it grasping at straws? If this is a person, then a woman’s body is a natural killing machine…and if you believe in heaven, then surely all these eggs are up there?

Did you miss this chapter in Biology 101?

The fact is that it most certainly IS an individual human life.

Again, this has been discussed ad nauseam on this board (and 100 others like it). You’re just regurgitating tired and debunked falsehoods.

Individuals are capable of living outside of another person’s body.

[Guvnah]

@Tangible08

Individuals are capable of living outside of another person’s body.

Take it up with Biology. I believe in science.

@Tangible08

Why is it grasping at straws?

That you have to ask is demonstration that you’ve lost your grip on rational discussion.

Take up your heaven question with God.

[mobulis]

@Guvnah

@Tangible08

Individuals are capable of living outside of another person’s body.

Take it up with Biology. I believe in science.

@Tangible08

Why is it grasping at straws?

That you have to ask is demonstration that you’ve lost your grip on rational discussion.

Take up your heaven question with God.

Biology and science have nothing to do with rights.

[Tangible08]

@Guvnah

Take it up with Biology. I believe in science.

Science isn’t a belief system.

That you have to ask is demonstration that you’ve lost your grip on rational discussion.

Take up your heaven question with God.

You understand that it’s irrational to think of a fertilized egg the same way we think about born persons, you are just evading.

[Guvnah]

@Tangible08

Science isn’t a belief system.

Right. Science is fact. I believe the facts that science proves.

Biology unequivocally defines that a new human life begins at conception.

@Tangible08

You understand that it’s irrational to think of a fertilized egg the same way we think about born persons

And yet YOU are the one calling for funerals for expelled fertilized eggs. And that’s why I said your argument is irrational.

Evading? I’m refusing to get stuck in the septic tank of the argument you are trying to make.

[SpadeMarlowe]

@SimplyTrying

CM: There is no Liberal policy………

SM: They are working on one.

CM: wants link to said policy

SM: forgets that he said they are working on one

Forum: What just happened?

Not every fact has a link.
Good example: Pelosi is ugly.
Link?
Or:
Harvey Weinstein is a predator.
Link? No,unless you explore his pants.

[Samm]

@SimplyTrying

It’s just an interpretation problem on your part.

No … it is not an interpretation, it is a cold hard fact. Since 1973 (R v. W) some 60 million unborn babies were killed. That number shadows the number of people murdered by all means and eclipses the number of children who died of gunshot over that same time period.

[Samm]

@Plasmaball

You arent getting the statement. Dozens of eggs never make it to the womb period. The body blocks them. It’s not a miscarriage. It’s not an abortion. It’s the body taking care of things naturally.

The law and pro life people are in direct conflict with a womans body

No, I got it perfectly and my post was entirely accurate.

[Samm]

@Tangible08

@Samm

@Tangible08

Most fertilized eggs are not carried to term by natural processes. Should we hold a funeral every time this occurs? A fetus has not achieved personhood.

If a fertilized egg (a blastocyst actually) does not implant in the womb and is spontaneously aborted it occurs before becoming a fetus (which occurs at about 9 weeks.) But to you question … no, WE should not do anything. How a family chooses to deal with the loss of an offspring is entirely up to them. Many women who have miscarriages have a funeral for their dead baby, many don’t.

The point is most women are not even aware of all the times their body aborts fertilized eggs, yet society does not treat this as a tragedy. We clearly recognize that conception does not imply personhood. Unless, of course, Christians think all these fertilized eggs are in heaven or something.

That is not the point. What you are referring to is inherent to the natural function of a mammalian female body. And yet, if the mother is aware that it occurred, she is free (without interference from you or me) to deal with that loss as she sees fit.

But an abortion is NOT natural. It is done by a person intentionally to kill the life that is developing within its natural habitat. There is zero comparison between a spontaneous (natural) abortion or a miscarriage, and a medically induced (whether chemical or physical) miscarrage/abortion except that in each case a life is extinguished.