NJBob
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Youâre not paying 35K a year to keep a criminal off the streets. It comes from the taxes we all pay.
Letting criminals off easy only leads to more crime. The solution starts with treating all crime seriously and making sure would be criminals understand they will pay a price.
DMK
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I can tell you if you have a Sherriff vehicle parked in your driveway, it definitely helps to prevent crime.
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DMK
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35K is a drop in the bucket to keep the scum of society off of the streets.
Plus, make them earn their keep to pay for their lodgings and food.
Enough of coddling the criminals.
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Bring back penal colonies then the three strike rule, striikeout!! then off to somewhere like Devilâs Island. Obviously not for petty crimes but if a person commits three felonies they donât belong in society, nor tax payers like us shouldnât be responsible for keeping them behind bars. A society is only as good as itâs citizens.
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I donât know what accounts for the decrease. Iâve seen lots of seemingly clever explanations over the years: gentrification, increased gun ownership, the elimination of leaded gasoline, access to abortion, technologies that keep us indoors, the fact that we donât carry as much cash, decreased alcohol consumption, etc. None are definitive.
But it makes me wonder if some of the important causal factors are unrelated (or only indirectly related) to government policies around policing or incarceration.
As far as misperceptions, media and politicians probably contribute a lot.
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Per year⌠that is what it cost per person for CA.
Correct âweâ Californians play 35k per year per prisoner.
Define âeasyâ? What is an appropriate jail sentence for theft of an iPhone?
Guvnah
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An example of a semi-woke Denver suburb coming to its senses.
In 2020 they brought in a female chief who wanted to focus on âcommunity involvementâ, and the city cut police and sheriff budgetsâŚ
It resulted in increased crime, drop in public safety, huge backlogs and a lot of departmental discontentment.
Backlogs:
So earlier this week they fired the chief. City manager said, âTo provide the level of public safety that our community deserve, a change in leadership must occurâ.
At some point even the woke will have to wake up.
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This may not have been caused by those policies. Crime went up everywhere in 2021. Even places with huge budgets.
I can probably believe this more. Back office work is often overlooked when it comes to police budgets.
DMK
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Is that how the law is written? Per year?
NJBob
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Thatâs cheap. We Jersey folks pay nearly twice that.
The punishment for theft should depend on the circumstances of the crime not on some sliding scale of value of the item stolen.
The punishment needs to be painful enough to teach the criminal not to repeat the crime. Anything less is letting the criminal off easy.
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DMK
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Can you have a roof over your head, 3 meals a day, clothing for 35K a year?
NJBob
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Donât forget the 24/7 security.
Economists have looked at Roe v. Wade as a factor in the crime rate. Steven Levitt, for example, in this paper:
But itâs problematic (to understate it). For example, the decrease cut across all ages, not just post-Roe generations.
Work. They need work. A schedule. A discipline. A purpose.
What they do NOT need is, time to think of and make things like shivs, toilet booze, dope, etcâŚ
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Yeah, I first read about it in Freakanomics and then read the paper.
Frankly, I think it is pretty conclusive. A few years before Roe some states legalized abortion and some 16 (?) years later they started seeing crime drop. The states that legalized it Roe saw the decrease three years after those initial states saw it.
Further, with Roe not all states had access. They grouped states into those with access and those that did not. Again, some 16 years after Roe the states that had access to abortion saw a drop in crime while those who did not have access did not see that drop in crime.
I suspect some of the prog/socialists such as AOC like the direction this is headed.
Probably hoping for some form of socialism to replace our Republic.
NJBob
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Iâm all in favor of teaching people in prison a useful trade.
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