I deeply regret my actions. Now shut up you STUPID PEASANTS!

[zantax]

@tnt

@zantax

So, shouldn’t we have the fat police and mandatory state calisthenics?

That would be unconstitutional. Mandating seatbelts however, is not.

Just because someone is for constitutional limited government influence in keeping with teh general welfare clause doesn’t mean they are for dystopian fantasies.

Looks like someone missed the general welfare clause grants no addition powers day in ninth grade civics.

[zantax]

@tnt

@WuWei

Health insurance premiums will go up.

No, actually they will go down. The amount drugs being done isn’t changing with legalization.

Odd, I didn’t use marijuana for like thirty years, until last year when Michigan legalized it, use it all the time now.

[Samm]

@tnt

@Samm

That was not part of your statement that I took issue with. You implied that a comparison of highway deaths before the seatbelt mandate to highway deaths now was a validation of the seatbelt mandate. Yes, there has been a marked decrease in highway deaths (per vehicle mile) over that time, but it is the other factors that I mentioned that are responsible for the vast majority of them.

It is certainly true that other factors contribute but:

• Seatbelts helped too.
• Many of those other factors were also the result of government invovlement.

this disuccion is using seatbelts as a simple example of governmental efforts to help improve our lot.

I have no problem with government mandating that vehicle manufacturers install seatbelts as standard equipment. But the government is overreacting by mandating under force of law that people use them and punishing them if they do not. The government has no business forcing people under threat of retribution to have their lot improved.

[Samm]

@tnt

@zantax

So, shouldn’t we have the fat police and mandatory state calisthenics?

That would be unconstitutional. Mandating seatbelts however, is not.

Just because someone is for constitutional limited government influence in keeping with teh general welfare clause doesn’t mean they are for dystopian fantasies.

Mandating that seatbelts be available is Constitutional; mandating their use and punishing people who don’t use them is not.

[Samm]

@tnt

But people do them so legalizing will make that reality safer.

I agree it is a much more complicated question than seatbelts.

And yet, as simple as the seatbelt issue is, it seems that you have failed to grasp it.

[Samm]

@SottoVoce

@WuWei

@SottoVoce

Don’t agree with that.

Drugs used inappropriately are detrimental to human health.

And yes, I mean both “illicit” and regulated pharmaceutical drugs.

How does one use illicit opioids “appropriately”?

The same way one uses alcohol “appropriately.” In moderation and with responsibility.

That sounds good, but moderate and responsible use of alcohol rarely leads to addiction, whereas even casual recreational use of opioids invariably leads to addiction.

[SottoVoce]

@WuWei

@SottoVoce

Marijuana is most certainly a drug. Prove me wrong.

Marijuana is a weed.

Drug: a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

It doesn’t matter if it’s a plant or made in the lab. Still a drug.

[Optrader]

@DMK

@WuWei

It’s turning into a habit. He or she probably didn’t even realize it.

Of course that’s the goal.

I honestly feel like I am going to pass out when wearing a mask.

I get that people would just rather leave it on than bother with on/off, on/off.

But they do look pretty dumb driving by themselves with a mask on.

Saw a guy a couple days ago doing yardwork wearing one. No one around. 9 in the morning. We ARE being conditioned.

[SottoVoce]

@Samm

@SottoVoce

@WuWei

@SottoVoce

Don’t agree with that.

Drugs used inappropriately are detrimental to human health.

And yes, I mean both “illicit” and regulated pharmaceutical drugs.

How does one use illicit opioids “appropriately”?

The same way one uses alcohol “appropriately.” In moderation and with responsibility.

That sounds good, but moderate and responsible use of alcohol rarely leads to addiction, whereas even casual recreational use of opioids invariably leads to addiction.

I wouldn’t say “invariably” although it certainly has a higher addiction potential for most. It also varies by the particular opioid. Nicotine is incredibly addictive. Marijuana is not very addictive. I don’t think others should dictate if an adult has the potential for moderation and responsible use when it relates to an activity that only directly impacts them.

[gooddad409]

@Optrader

@DMK

@WuWei

It’s turning into a habit. He or she probably didn’t even realize it.

Of course that’s the goal.

I honestly feel like I am going to pass out when wearing a mask.

I get that people would just rather leave it on than bother with on/off, on/off.

But they do look pretty dumb driving by themselves with a mask on.

Saw a guy a couple days ago doing yardwork wearing one. No one around. 9 in the morning. We ARE being conditioned.

Not me. I wear one in the grocery and while walking into a restaurant till i am seated.

Not at all any other time. Attend church in person without it as well.

Shooting range, etc, etc.

[floydefisher]

I have a question for you.

If you find the Declaration of Independence, and other founding documents to be hypocritical, why haven’t you renounced your right to free speech?

I’ll wait for your answer.

[Optrader]

@gooddad409

@Optrader

@DMK

@WuWei

It’s turning into a habit. He or she probably didn’t even realize it.

Of course that’s the goal.

I honestly feel like I am going to pass out when wearing a mask.

I get that people would just rather leave it on than bother with on/off, on/off.

But they do look pretty dumb driving by themselves with a mask on.

Saw a guy a couple days ago doing yardwork wearing one. No one around. 9 in the morning. We ARE being conditioned.

Not me. I wear one in the grocery and while walking into a restaurant till i am seated.

Not at all any other time. Attend church in person without it as well.

Shooting range, etc, etc.

That has been my habit. I have to admit, for reasons other than Covid my church attendance has dropped way down this year. My pastor never stopped in person services though attendance was often single digits. We don’t wear masks either. Had a massive outbreak about a month and a half ago and an elderly couple caught it and died within days of each other. I know people make choices and I am against mandates, but I also believe that peer pressure can cause people to go along with what everyone else is doing, even in a Christian setting.

I wore a mask last time I attended and will do so from now on. About half dozen others have been too. Yes, I Believe nothing can happen to people without God allowing it, but he does allow us to suffer the consequences of our decisions.

[fallenturtle]

@floydefisher

I have a question for you.

If you find the Declaration of Independence, and other founding documents to be hypocritical, why haven’t you renounced your right to free speech?

I’ll wait for your answer.

I don’t find the other documents to be hypocritical. I don’t really find the DoI to be hypocritical as much as I find the signers who owned slaves to by hypocritical.

I see no purpose in renouncing my right to free speech and I don’t know how I’d do that anyway since there’s no one to enforce it.

[gooddad409]

@Optrader

@gooddad409

@Optrader

@DMK

@WuWei

It’s turning into a habit. He or she probably didn’t even realize it.

Of course that’s the goal.

I honestly feel like I am going to pass out when wearing a mask.

I get that people would just rather leave it on than bother with on/off, on/off.

But they do look pretty dumb driving by themselves with a mask on.

Saw a guy a couple days ago doing yardwork wearing one. No one around. 9 in the morning. We ARE being conditioned.

Not me. I wear one in the grocery and while walking into a restaurant till i am seated.

Not at all any other time. Attend church in person without it as well.

Shooting range, etc, etc.

That has been my habit. I have to admit, for reasons other than Covid my church attendance has dropped way down this year. My pastor never stopped in person services though attendance was often single digits. We don’t wear masks either. Had a massive outbreak about a month and a half ago and an elderly couple caught it and died within days of each other. I know people make choices and I am against mandates, but I also believe that peer pressure can cause people to go along with what everyone else is doing, even in a Christian setting.

I wore a mask last time I attended and will do so from now on. About half dozen others have been too. Yes, I Believe nothing can happen to people without God allowing it, but he does allow us to suffer the consequences of our decisions.

We have a small church anyway and only about half are attending this year. Nobody is sitting within 6 feet of anyone else unless they are immediate family members.

We’ve had 3 people get it from who knows where. One a college student who rarely attends. Probably got hers at school.

All that got it recovered. I feel safe enough there.

[Mountain_Soldier]

@JayJay

This is indeed the failure of our time…the leadership not setting an example.

We think of our grandparents/great-grandparents as the Greatest Generation, yet when rations came in World War II, people chafed at them, and a lively black market sprang up (it was estimated a quarter of the meat bought during the war years was bought and sold on the black market).

But what made them follow the ration rules, by and large, was the messaging (yes, the propaganda) and leaders willing to set an example, and yes, occasionally, coercion.

People chafe when asked to sacrifice for a greater good when the threat doesn’t seem all that real (even now, maybe only 15% of our population has gotten COVID since it started…meaning there’s a reasonable chance you don’t know anyone that has it).

When leaders refuse to message properly, the odds of it happening are almost nil.

Looks like Gavin was setting the example by going maskless again at the football game… breaking rules he set in place. Must be nice to be a democrat and know people don’t care about a damn thing you do…

[Rurudyne]

Gavin Gruesome: he only wants to help you!

[floydefisher]

And the whole thing just flew over your head.

[fallenturtle]

@floydefisher

And the whole thing just flew over your head.

How so?

[wiley8425]

It didn’t make a lot of sense to me when I read it either. Guess whatever point he thought he was making with that sailed over my head too.

As for the hypocrisy of the founders, a bunch of rich landowners who didn’t want to pay their taxes. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Toll_Collector]

@Optrader

@gooddad409

@Optrader

@DMK

@WuWei

It’s turning into a habit. He or she probably didn’t even realize it.

Of course that’s the goal.

I honestly feel like I am going to pass out when wearing a mask.

I get that people would just rather leave it on than bother with on/off, on/off.

But they do look pretty dumb driving by themselves with a mask on.

Saw a guy a couple days ago doing yardwork wearing one. No one around. 9 in the morning. We ARE being conditioned.

Not me. I wear one in the grocery and while walking into a restaurant till i am seated.

Not at all any other time. Attend church in person without it as well.

Shooting range, etc, etc.

That has been my habit. I have to admit, for reasons other than Covid my church attendance has dropped way down this year. My pastor never stopped in person services though attendance was often single digits. We don’t wear masks either. Had a massive outbreak about a month and a half ago and an elderly couple caught it and died within days of each other. I know people make choices and I am against mandates, but I also believe that peer pressure can cause people to go along with what everyone else is doing, even in a Christian setting.

I wore a mask last time I attended and will do so from now on. About half dozen others have been too. Yes, I Believe nothing can happen to people without God allowing it, but he does allow us to suffer the consequences of our decisions.

I don’t wear a mask where it’s not required. By me, it’s not required anywhere.

But as far as your OP and the Thanksgiving stuff, who listens to that? No one is listening to rules on who or how many people can be in your home. It’s like seatbelt laws. You wear a seatbelt, not because it’s a law, but because you think it’s smart. I didn’t start wearing a seatbelt until 2008.

Gathering limits are only enforced in cities because you have neighbors that are rats. In more wealthy areas people do what they want. But in cities, like rats, they eat their own.