Hunter Goin' Down!

[Samm]

@Orygun

Snipes? That was tax evasion- he was hiding his money overseas. Hunter pled to not paying his taxes…something a lot of people do…different crime.

Explain the difference. How is not filing (i.e. not paying what’s due) fundamentally any different than not reporting income (hiding income overseas) so you don’t owe as much?

[Samm]

@LucyLou

@Samm

@LucyLou

@gooddad409

@Samm

@Rodeo

Would any of us average Americans have gotten off Scott free the way Hunter did today?

I have mentioned it a couple of times, but have had no response … we have a test case to compare to about that. The mother of the boy who shot his teacher has been charged with lying on form 4473 about her marijauna use when she bought the gun he used. What do you want to bet that she does time for her lie?

There are a lot of cases out there of income tax evasion and lying on things like the gun purchase paperwork.

Most went to prison.

Wesley Snipes is 1 good example. 3 years in the pokey for him.

Someone who didn’t spend 1 second looking up anything about Wesley Snipes.

^^^ Someone who just looked up Westley Snipes to be sure there was a difference between the cases.

Samm. That’s what you’re supposed to do instead of just lazily parroting some nonsense one sees on social media. I do it every time.

Of course you do. Instant expertise.

[Orygun]

Two different legal statutes.

26 U.S. Code § 7201 - Attempt to evade or defeat tax

26 U.S. Code § 6651 - Failure to file tax return or to pay tax

[Samm]

@Orygun

Two different legal statutes.

26 U.S. Code § 7201 - Attempt to evade or defeat tax | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

26 U.S. Code § 6651 - Failure to file tax return or to pay tax | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

That’s description per the law. I’m talking about the fundamental difference. How is avoiding payment by not filing fundamentally any different than avoiding payment by not reporting all over income?

It’s like the difference between robbery and burglary. Two different statutes, but in both instances it’s taking something that is not yours to take.

[Orygun]

Hiding assets, using evasion strategies…versus just not paying.

[Samm]

@Orygun

Hiding assets, using evasion strategies…versus just not paying.

No … In both cases, you are not paying what you owe.

[Orygun]

Yes- but legally they are treated differently.

Sorta like there are a few types of murder.

[DougBH]

@FreeAndClear

That’s important that the irs felt that actions rise to felonies but Charges and plea deals aren’t the same thing. That’s how plea deals works - charges are reduced

Yeah. I had a neighbor who cheated on his taxes and hid assets. He got a plea deal including several years in federal prison. So yeah, sweetheart deal.

[DougBH]

We know Hunter was charged with failure to file and pay. There is now evidence he should have been charged with tax evasion except higher ups stepped in.

[FreeAndClear]

@DougBH

@FreeAndClear

That’s important that the irs felt that actions rise to felonies but Charges and plea deals aren’t the same thing. That’s how plea deals works - charges are reduced

Yeah. I had a neighbor who cheated on his taxes and hid assets. He got a plea deal including several years in federal prison. So yeah, sweetheart deal.

You had a neighbor. That’s nice.

[Samm]

@Orygun

Yes- but legally they are treated differently.

Sorta like there are a few types of murder.

That’s not an explanation.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Samm

Explain the difference. How is not filing (i.e. not paying what’s due) fundamentally any different than not reporting income (hiding income overseas) so you don’t owe as much?

One is an act of omission, the other is taking an affirmative, intentional action to mislead.

[LucyLou]

@DougBH

@FreeAndClear

That’s important that the irs felt that actions rise to felonies but Charges and plea deals aren’t the same thing. That’s how plea deals works - charges are reduced

Yeah. I had a neighbor who cheated on his taxes and hid assets. He got a plea deal including several years in federal prison. So yeah, sweetheart deal.

Oh wow your “neighbor” went out of his way to “hide assets” yes that’s totally the same.

[Ben_Natuf]

@Orygun

Hiding assets, using evasion strategies

you mean like multiple shell companies that only exist to funnel money through?

[DougBH]

@LucyLou

@DougBH

@FreeAndClear

That’s important that the irs felt that actions rise to felonies but Charges and plea deals aren’t the same thing. That’s how plea deals works - charges are reduced

Yeah. I had a neighbor who cheated on his taxes and hid assets. He got a plea deal including several years in federal prison. So yeah, sweetheart deal.

Oh wow your “neighbor” went out of his way to “hide assets” yes that’s totally the same.

How about these, then?

“Shapley said that in Biden’s 2018 tax return, which was filed late and not prepared until 2020, he was “expensing personal expenses, his business expenses. So, I mean, everything, there was a payment that — there was a $25,000 to one of his girlfriends and it said, “golf membership.” And then we went out and followed that money it was for a sex club membership in LA.”
Gary Shapley, Jr., an IRS Criminal Supervisory Special Agent who oversaw the IRS probe into the president’s son, testified that in 2018, Hunter Biden listed payments to prostitutes on his tax returns to the company Owasco P.C., which allegedly “brought in his consulting fees.”

Is that an act of omission?

But why not a charge of tax evasion?

“On Thursday, that House Ways and Means Committee on Thursday released testimony from two IRS whistleblowers who said the Department of Justice, FBI and IRS had interfered with the investigation of the tax evasion case “

Hunter Biden expensed prostitutes, sex club to 'consulting' business on 2018...

[Samm]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@Samm

Explain the difference. How is not filing (i.e. not paying what’s due) fundamentally any different than not reporting income (hiding income overseas) so you don’t owe as much?

One is an act of omission, the other is taking an affirmative, intentional action to mislead.

Intentionally omitted, and they are both not paying the amount that’s due. There is no fundamental difference.

[Samm]

@LucyLou

@Samm

@LucyLou

@Samm

@LucyLou

@gooddad409

@Samm

@Rodeo

Would any of us average Americans have gotten off Scott free the way Hunter did today?

I have mentioned it a couple of times, but have had no response … we have a test case to compare to about that. The mother of the boy who shot his teacher has been charged with lying on form 4473 about her marijauna use when she bought the gun he used. What do you want to bet that she does time for her lie?

There are a lot of cases out there of income tax evasion and lying on things like the gun purchase paperwork.

Most went to prison.

Wesley Snipes is 1 good example. 3 years in the pokey for him.

Someone who didn’t spend 1 second looking up anything about Wesley Snipes.

^^^ Someone who just looked up Westley Snipes to be sure there was a difference between the cases.

Samm. That’s what you’re supposed to do instead of just lazily parroting some nonsense one sees on social media. I do it every time.

Of course you do. Instant expertise.

Samm. Do you swallow whole any nonsense you read on social media?

I don’t do social media … unless you count this forum as such.

[conan]

Hunter plea deal fall through, and that Hunter pleaded not guilty…prosecutors said Hunter Biden is currently under investigation.

Hunter Biden plea deal falls apart during first court appearance

[FreeAndClear]

there is more to it than that and i have the strangest feeling that he judge was covering a doj screw up. not in a conspiratorial way but in the way the deal was structured.

[conan]

@FreeAndClear

there is more to it than that and i have the strangest feeling that he judge was covering a doj screw up. not in a conspiratorial way but in the way the deal was structured.

Could be…either way I don’t trust the process anymore.