No they don’t. They have an open-door policy … they have let Finland know they would be welcome.

We will sell F35s to anyone who has the money and who is unlikely to use them against us. Don’t read anything into that.

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And your point is?

Ukraine has been the most corrupt country in Europe since it as carved back out of the USSR.

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Turkey would disagree. :grinning:. I kid. There are unique situations with Turkey.

No point on that one. More just bringing up there are some weird things in treaties.

Sorry, I don’t get the joke.

Turkey used to be part of the F-35 program. A NATO ally. But they bought S-400 SAMs and we said if they get those they can’t have F-35s. It’s a big diplomatic ■■■■■■■■■■■■ But my joke was that we won’t sell them to a NATO ally who in theory would not use them against us. That was the joke.

What happened to you Cons favorite saying in the not so distant past? Remember the classic… We need “boots on the ground”…? Was the favorite war cry with your bunch.

I don’t seem to recall Kuwait being in NATO, but I do remember you Righties being all gung ho about that little adventure when it was invaded. Or the reaction to France when they didnt join in, in Iraq …Remember “Freedom Fries”?..lol.

Nice.

Optics

Its true.

In the bleachers, sure.

How’s the war porn going?

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Yes, Because the Brandon admin proved it’s lack of resolve and incompetence in Afghanistan…

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I don’t like war porn. You must be thinking of someone else. And countries send out young men and women to die for national policy. It’s sad, and a lot of them die. But that is how nations work. And why we pay our soldiers. It’s not a charity volunteer organization. We pay for services. Sometimes that service is death. And it’s made very clear about that when they sign their contract

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How would you know?

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How would I know that countries use their militaries as part of foreign policy and sometimes those military members die? Pretty straight forward understanding of history and the world we live in.

This…

Enjoy your popcorn.

This is a long thread when the answer is obviously that Trump would have sided with Putin against NATO.

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When you signed up it never got mentioned?