How will Biden's gas price hike play with voters?

[fallenturtle]

@BraveGear

Well, I disagree that is what Conservatives want. What we want is to have the Constitution followed as written and intended and just to be left alone.

They still want control, just more focused on the state level.

[Liberty323]

@thinkingman

only democrats and the left would support a president extolling the increasing price of gas and hit on the economy

but joe is being told the economy is fine, though so he really doesnt know, despite what the black lesbian press sec says

Because the left is either upper-middle class and elitists who are not affected by gas prices, or leeches who don’t drive and get enough EBT to make up for the rise in food prices. Of course, now they won’t be able to see their excess food stamps for cash, so that hurts I guess.

[fallenturtle]

@Liberty323

@thinkingman

only democrats and the left would support a president extolling the increasing price of gas and hit on the economy

but joe is being told the economy is fine, though so he really doesnt know, despite what the black lesbian press sec says

Because the left is either upper-middle class and elitists who are not affected by gas prices, or leeches who don’t drive and get enough EBT to make up for the rise in food prices. Of course, now they won’t be able to see their excess food stamps for cash, so that hurts I guess.

The left includes all levels of income. Your problem is that many on the left place the blame on the covid recovery, Russia, and inflation in general.

[Hexenbiest]

No one has propped the oil industry up more than Biden they were oil companies going belly up a few years ago because oil got so cheap. Brandon was the best thing that happened to them,

The oil industry actually hasn’t done that well under Trump

The oil industry’s fortunes have been withering on President Donald Trump’s watch, with dozens of oil companies falling into bankruptcy as weak crude prices take a toll on the sector he contends would be abolished if he’s not reelected.

[TheRedComet]

The left’s biggest problem is overreach.

They have no patience.

The goal of depending less on fossil fuels is going to be a natural development. Better methods will be found. In particular, EVs will eventually replace ICE powered cars. Not because of some left wing edict, but because within twenty to thirty years they’ll be better and cheaper to own to ICE powered vehicles. Evolution. One species naturally displacing a species that won’t be able to adapt.

But yet they (the left) always rush natural developments and turn them into unnatural forced goals. Which leads to situations like the one we are in now with a new fuel crisis.

It’s stupidity at its finest.

[fallenturtle]

@TheRedComet

The left’s biggest problem is overreach.

They have no patience.

The goal of depending less on fossil fuels is going to be a natural development. Better methods will be found. In particular, EVs will eventually replace ICE powered cars. Not because of some left wing edict, but because within twenty to thirty years they’ll be better and cheaper to own to ICE powered vehicles. Evolution. One species naturally displacing a species that won’t be able to adapt.

But yet they (the left) always rush natural developments and turn them into unnatural forced goals. Which leads to situations like the one we are in now with a new fuel crisis.

It’s stupidity at its finest.

It requires a balance. It can’t be forced too fast until costs come down, but using the power of government it can be guided by providing incentives for making the change. For example the rebates given for people buying EVs, letting people driving EVs use HOV lanes, and building out a charging infrastructure.

What they really need to do is build some nuclear power plants though.

[TheRedComet]

I never liked the rebate idea. It’s biased against the poor. Current new EVs are out of price reach and the rebates don’t apply to used EVs. If they applied to used EVs that are more within reach of the poor and lower middle class, I’d support it. As it stands now it was more or less a tax break for the upper middle class and the rich.

HOVs are supposed to be for high occupancy vehicles. Meaning a bunch of folks in one car. One guy in a Tesla Model S doesn’t qualify in my opinion.

I agree about building out charging infrastructure. Offer tax breaks to businesses to get into the charging station game.

And we should have never stopped building out nuclear power. A bunch of people (on the left and the right) got scared because of Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and overreacted. It was stupid and short sighted. If we had taken France’s route, we’d be getting the vast majority of our electricity from clean nuclear fission. Which is cleaner than even Solar when production of components is factored into the equation.

[fallenturtle]

@TheRedComet

I never liked the rebate idea. It’s biased against the poor. Current new EVs are out of price reach and the rebates don’t apply to used EVs. If they applied to used EVs that are more within reach of the poor and lower middle class, I’d support it. As it stands now it was more or less a tax break for the upper middle class and the rich.

I’m not too concerned… new tech always tends to first be adopted by the rich and then as prices drop those at lower incomes can afford it. I do agree that it should have applied to used as well though.

@TheRedComet

HOVs are supposed to be for high occupancy vehicles. Meaning a bunch of folks in one car. One guy in a Tesla Model S doesn’t qualify in my opinion.

That was the point. It was a perk. At this point there are too many EVs out there though, so this perk no longer makes sense.

@TheRedComet

And we should have never stopped building out nuclear power. A bunch of people (on the left and the right) got scared because of Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and overreacted. It was stupid and short sighted. If we had taken France’s route, we’d be getting the vast majority of our electricity from clean nuclear fission. Which is cleaner than even Solar when production of components is factored into the equation.

I think we were getting back to being pro-nuke, but then Fukushima happened.

[Optrader]

@fallenturtle

@RTchoke

@fallenturtle

@RTchoke

So where’s your line?

Line for what? I don’t understand your question.

Where is your line draw on fossil fuels/oil? Is it just we must get rid of gasoline, we cannot use oil for anything, we can use oil for the things I like but not other things?

You must have a line drawn on your hate for fossil fuels.

I don’t hate fossil fuels. I hate hurting the environment. If we could use fossil fuels without hurting the environment I’d be all for it, with the caveat that its still not sustainable in the long run.

Use oil for what we need it for while transitioning towards using tech that doesn’t rely on it. Continue building out infrastructure to support EV charging stations. Build more nuclear plants to support the increased electrical needs.

You hate hurting the environment? Mule fritters! You guys don’t mind hurting the environment, you just don’t want to SEE it being hurt.

DUMBASSES!

Sure, let’s reduce oil production in OUR country and then ask and expect OTHER countries to make up the deficit in theirs. Of course, your hypocrisy doesn’t just apply to fossil fuels but “green” energy too. Like how Teddy Kennedy and the rest of the NIMBY LIB crowd ( which is most of you) want windmills, but not if they block your own scenic view.

Typical…

[EternalVigilance]

@BraveGear

Actually he did. He is directly responsible as he was the Senator that first introduced the “Gun Free Zones” (aka free kill zones) in schools way back in 1990.

That’s appallingly bloodthirsty. The Democrats were amping up those causalities even back then to push for gun bans.

[Gaius]

Interesting short video at link.

Biden repeating over and over again that he is going to
block drilling “end fossil fuels” etc. e. on different occasions.
Waaaay too many times and too emphatic to be gaffes of any sort.

GURGAVIN

[BraveGear]

If you want to call that “control,” then yes. Someone has to make the laws and we certainly do want that function to be administered at the State level, not an all-powerful centralized federal government.

The closest to the people possible and the further away from bureaucrats.

[floydefisher]

Except for the fact the US imports like 3% of it’s oil from Russia, you make excellent points.

This isn’t ‘Putin’s Price Hike’, this is the Biden administrations own doing. And Biden definitely will pay.

[fallenturtle]

@Optrader

@fallenturtle

@RTchoke

@fallenturtle

@RTchoke

So where’s your line?

Line for what? I don’t understand your question.

Where is your line draw on fossil fuels/oil? Is it just we must get rid of gasoline, we cannot use oil for anything, we can use oil for the things I like but not other things?

You must have a line drawn on your hate for fossil fuels.

I don’t hate fossil fuels. I hate hurting the environment. If we could use fossil fuels without hurting the environment I’d be all for it, with the caveat that its still not sustainable in the long run.

Use oil for what we need it for while transitioning towards using tech that doesn’t rely on it. Continue building out infrastructure to support EV charging stations. Build more nuclear plants to support the increased electrical needs.

You hate hurting the environment? Mule fritters! You guys don’t mind hurting the environment, you just don’t want to SEE it being hurt.

DUMBASSES!

Sure, let’s reduce oil production in OUR country and then ask and expect OTHER countries to make up the deficit in theirs. Of course, your hypocrisy doesn’t just apply to fossil fuels but “green” energy too. Like how Teddy Kennedy and the rest of the NIMBY LIB crowd ( which is most of you) want windmills, but not if they block your own scenic view.

Typical…

It’s weird… you technically replied to my post… but it seems to have been directed at a strawman instead.

Go ahead and build a windmill outside my house, I think they look cool (must be my Dutch blood).

Ted Kennedy has been dead for over a decade.

[RTchoke]

I don’t think it will look like the one in your imagination.

[Axxowiz]

If I was making ads for the GOP I would hammer down on the fact the first the 1st day in office he nuked the keystone pipeline. Regardless of what the effects of the pipeline would have had or not the optics are horrible for the average Joe staring in disbelief at the $5+ a gallon while filling up their car.

It’s also a little odd we are the only country that banned 100% oil imports from Russia. The sanction thing doesn’t work so well when China, India, and all of South America isn’t playing alone and are not sanctioning a penny. Some words I have noticed am hearing less of is carbon tax and the word transitory.

[STODR]

These posts from some of the self appointed smartest man in room didn’t age well.

@JayJay

@Camp

You are correct.

I understood it much better under Trump policy.

Biden doesn’t know what he is doing so how can any of us understand the state of oil and gas today.

I do understand Biden policy wants to reward China by making my gas more expensive.

No you do not understand there are structural limitations…that have nothing to do with who is in the White House…to how high the price of oil can go.

It can’t go high enough to support $4/gallon gas.

@Borgia_dude

@JayJay

@Camp

2.79 in suburbs of Pittsburgh PA.

I am bracing for 4.00 a gallon by Memorial day.

Then you don’t understand the state of oil and gas today.

Last time gas prices were that high, oil was over $100/bbl. Barring a mid-East war, there is no chance of seeing that price in the next year or two.

[Camp]

Trump has the working crystal ball.

Dems all got the fake one.

[Bill.in.PA]

Yes, higher energy prices in the name of reducing use of fossil fuels have been Biden’s plan from day one. The sanctions on Russian energy are just the latest phase. The White House knew that the sanctions would only hurt western consumers, but they pushed them anyway.

If you doubt that consider what Amos Hochstein, the State Department’s senior energy security adviser, said back in February:

“If we target the oil and gas sector for Putin, and in this case the Russian energy establishment, then prices would spike. Perhaps he would sell only half of his product, but for double the price,” Hochstein said. “That means he would not suffer the consequences while the United States and our allies would suffer the consequences.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-25/white-house-vows-to-avoid-future-sanctions-on-russian-crude-oil

[Camp]