How to Prevent Government Shutdowns

Phaedrus · 2019-01-02T00:06:09.618Z

carpe_diem:

I don’t want lessons from the Democrat politicians why they think we need Socialism, and yet they say for situations like the refugees and illegals that “it’s all about the children” supposedly, and then they go on vacation for ten’s of thousands of dollars those hypocrites!

It’s because they don’t really care about the women and children but only the votes, and themselves! lol.

Were you trying to make Twitler sound like Twitter? I only ask because Twitter is owned my Liberals who just like facebook try and surpress Conservative perspectives and voices. Secondly just for a little history lesson, please go look up the definition of a Nazi. You’ll find that it has Socialism in it. Then go look up what Bernie Sanders considers himself.

You either couldn’t follow or (more likely) chose to ignore my reasoning, which was:

You said that Socialist Democrats are the believers in government power.
I pointed out that your poster boy has no problem with government power, and acknowledges his willingness to pay to make that power work for him.
I call that hypocrisy.

You ignored my point and refused to respond, instead pivoting to FNTP (Fox News Talking Points). I call that poor debate technique.

Dissident_Aggressor · 2019-01-02T00:27:24.703Z

Does anyone really care? I was going to start a thread on this, but that’s not really my thing. So, I’ll use this one, I suppose.

Are we at the point where the threats of “government shutdown” are empty? I’d like to know how many people on this board are personally affected by this “shutdown”. As people have already pointed out in this thread, change in this regard is not on the horizon.

At this point, if you’re going to get my hopes up of shutting down the federal government, do it right or ■■■■ off. Be sure to pro-rate my tax bill according, as well. Thank you.

carpe_diem · 2019-01-02T00:44:16.279Z

What’s ignorance mean?

Phaedrus · 2019-01-02T01:11:06.562Z

carpe_diem:

What’s ignorance mean?

“Executive time”

Axxowiz · 2019-01-02T01:26:54.268Z

800,000 non essential government employers will not be working during the shutdown.

What are 800,000 non essential workers called in the private industry? Unemployed.

Phaedrus · 2019-01-02T01:34:05.478Z

Axxowiz:

800,000 non essential government employers will not be working during the shutdown.

What are 800,000 non essential workers called in the private industry? Unemployed.

Fox and Friends hosts.

FIFY

WorldWatcher · 2019-01-02T03:41:39.070Z

Axxowiz:

800,000 non essential government employers will not be working during the shutdown.

What are 800,000 non essential workers called in the private industry? Unemployed.

420,000 of the 800,000 you mention are considered essential and have to work during the shutdown. They just don’t get paid until after the shutdown.

The bad thing is the Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the men and women that provide Border Security are the very people that provide Border Security are the ones Dennison is making work without normal pay checks.

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Cratic3947 · 2019-01-02T16:47:08.332Z

Yes… the govt is shut down and no one even notices… Apparently, there’s tons we can get rid of…

Guvnah · 2019-01-02T16:59:10.829Z

WorldWatcher:

Congress is required to remain in session, Congress is not allowed to adjourn. Senators and Representatives are required to stay on the job (with no pay) and sleeping bags will be provided. They are required to remain either in their office, on the floor of their house, or in negotiation meetings. Meals will be provided (MRE’s). Only 2 ways to be released from confinement: (1) pass legislation and the President signs it into law, or (2) resign from Congress.

This is the key to your proposal, in my opinion.

And it’s much needed.

Bodecea · 2019-01-02T21:35:52.214Z

WorldWatcher:

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If the government is going to shut down, then shut it down with the pain prevent this kind of political posturing.

#1 No back-pay for furloughed employees. The government shuts down, you stay home and you don’t pay for not working.

#2 No more making “Essential Personnel” work with no pay or delayed pay.

FBI? Go Home. No work no pay.

CBP? Go home. No work no pay.

Dept of the VA? Go home. No work no pay. No cutting checks to veterans since there is no funding. For VA hospitals providing inpatient care. Sick patients are transferred to civilian hospitals and the VA foots the bill for transportation and and emergency care once their funding is approved.

Federal Prisons? Go home No work no pay. The prisons can have operational insurance whereby the employees are sent home but the insurance provider can hire them as part of the policy to come in and provide food to inmates, MRE’s would do fine. Inmates remain locked in their cells 24/7 until staff returns.

Social Security Administration – Go home. No work no pay. No cutting checks since there is no money.

Customs and Border Patrol? Go home. No work no pay. Shut down the ports of entry for commerce and lock the gates on the borders. No patrols.

FDA? Go home. No work no pay. No food inspections.

DOD Civilians? Go home. No work no pay.

Active duty Military. CONUS based, Go home. No work no pay. No ships can deploy in anticipation of a shutdown. Deployed ships end operations function and post only watches need to keep the ship functioning and food in the galley. Basically the same for oversea deployed land forces, pull back into a defense position and food preparation allowed.

Parks and Monuments? Go home. No work no pay.
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No retro pay, no “essential” personnel working with no pay.
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Congress is required to remain in session, Congress is not allowed to adjourn. Senators and Representatives are required to stay on the job (with no pay) and sleeping bags will be provided. They are required to remain either in their office, on the floor of their house, or in negotiation meetings. Meals will be provided (MRE’s). Only 2 ways to be released from confinement: (1) pass legislation and the President signs it into law, or (2) resign from Congress.
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If politicians want to shut the government down, let them. But there will be real consequences for it and they will pay the price.

Bet under these rules they wouldn’t dare NOT do their jobs.
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I like it.

Drs · 2019-01-02T22:32:05.386Z

Remember when Obama had the shutdown affect things the public used and FNC and talk radio had their audience all upset about consequences for wanting the shutdown?

reflechissez · 2019-01-02T22:45:30.942Z

Drs:

Remember when Obama had the shutdown affect things the public used and FNC and talk radio had their audience all upset about consequences for wanting the shutdown?

They were really torqued about the monuments in DC that veterans were prevented from visiting.

Borgia_dude · 2019-01-02T22:50:30.764Z

With these great ideas to shaft federal workers, why would anyone with options work for the federal govt? You really want the dregs working for you?

calirepub · 2019-01-02T22:55:51.405Z

Drs:

Remember when Obama had the shutdown affect things the public used and FNC and talk radio had their audience all upset about consequences for wanting the shutdown?

IIRC certain hosts had a visual clock on their show to show how long the shutdown had gone on for to the second. I wonder why they’re not doing that now.

Borgia_dude · 2019-01-02T22:59:17.397Z

Axxowiz:

800,000 non essential government employers will not be working during the shutdown.

What are 800,000 non essential workers called in the private industry? Unemployed.

I don’t think you know what the term means. Very few people in private industry are considered essential.

Samson_Corwell · 2019-01-03T14:48:57.304Z

Safiel:

lulubee:

Safiel:

I have proposed a Constitutional Amendment that would establish biannual budgeting and would eliminate the possibility of government shutdowns.

Short of a Constitutional Amendment, nothing can be done to foreclose the possibility of a shutdown, since both parties are more than willing to use appropriations as a hostage to their partisan goals.

Who have you made this proposal to, except to those on an Internet forum?

I have discussed proposals of this kind and other kinds in the several political lobbying organizations I am associated with and have discussed it directly with several Congressmen.

Safiel’s got connections.

BlueTex · 2019-01-03T14:51:19.347Z

Cratic3947:

Yes… the govt is shut down and no one even notices… Apparently, there’s tons we can get rid of…

The immigration courts are noticing…

NPR

Despite Huge Backlogs, The Government Shutdown Halts Most Immigration Court...

Hundreds of thousands await hearings in the already-congested system. Those delays could help some cases but hurt many others.

calirepub · 2019-01-03T15:37:53.569Z

BlueTex:

Cratic3947:

Yes… the govt is shut down and no one even notices… Apparently, there’s tons we can get rid of…

The immigration courts are noticing…

Despite Huge Backlogs, The Government Shutdown Halts Most Immigration Court Hearings : NPR

Who cares about them? Bunch of crybabies imo.

lulubee · 2019-01-03T15:41:25.923Z

Samson_Corwell:

Safiel’s got connections

And still his proposal will never go anywhere.

Cratic3947 · 2019-01-03T17:01:42.937Z

BlueTex:

Cratic3947:

Yes… the govt is shut down and no one even notices… Apparently, there’s tons we can get rid of…

The immigration courts are noticing…

Despite Huge Backlogs, The Government Shutdown Halts Most Immigration Court Hearings : NPR

That’s a good effect… Perhaps we need a wall to stop the incentive to come here…