How the Pandemic Defeated America

[calirepub]

@JayJay

The real figures make America look even worse.

Yeah, I wanted to point that out. America is failing BADLY. Not even CLOSE.

[NebraskaFootball]

@DougBH

@NebraskaFootball

The WHO, the CDC, and the U.S. surgeon general urged people not to wear masks, hoping to preserve the limited stocks for health-care workers.

That issue with masks had nothing to do with the cloth masks most people are wearing now. There was no shortage of cloth out of which to make these little things from, and that is not what health care workers needed.
Ummm…and I don’t feel particularly defeated.

That is what the article was alluding to. There was no nuance in the communication, which made their apparent about-face seem like a failure on their part.

[WuWei]

@NebraskaFootball

@DougBH

@NebraskaFootball

The WHO, the CDC, and the U.S. surgeon general urged people not to wear masks, hoping to preserve the limited stocks for health-care workers.

That issue with masks had nothing to do with the cloth masks most people are wearing now. There was no shortage of cloth out of which to make these little things from, and that is not what health care workers needed.
Ummm…and I don’t feel particularly defeated.

That is what the article was alluding to. There was no nuance in the communication, which made their apparent about-face seem like a failure on their part.

No “nuance” was required. It was a failure.

[DMK]

@TheRedComet

The US failed at this.

But it’s to be expected. With the way we are set up as a nation, we tend to be very inefficient at these sort of things. We aren’t very good at National disaster response either (locals are usually good, but state and federal levels are typically incompetent ).

That is the way it is designed to function. The locals have a better finger on the pulse than the State; the State has a better finger on the pulse than the Fed.

The State can ask for help from the Fed; locals can request help from the State based upon needs.

Individuals have to take personal responsibility as well. All stores where I live are now requiring masks even though it it not a State or local requirement. Who would have thought people can think outside of government mandates.

Why people have to look to government to provide them with common sense is beyond me.

[hindsight]

@NebraskaFootball

@Snow96

@NebraskaFootball

So find some comparisons to countries that aren’t shooting their people. How do we compare to Japan? How do we compare to South Korea?

japan, pop 129 million 1,000 deaths (7.7 percent of population.)

Japan: 126,500,000 people (1.7% of global population), 1,011 deaths (0.14% of global deaths)

1,011 deaths / 126,500,000 = 0.00000799% of population

@Snow96

US. pop 330 million 170k deaths (5.1 percent of population)

US: 328,200,000 people (4.3% of global population), 158,495 deaths (22.8% of global deaths)

158,495 deaths / 328,200,000 = 0.000483% of population

@Snow96

Sourth Korea Pop 51 million 301 (reported) deaths (5.9% of the population)

South Korea: 51,640,000 people (0.7% of global population), 301 deaths (0.004% of global deaths)

301 deaths / 51,640,000 = 0.00000583% of population

@Snow96

US death rate per population is lower than both.

False. I showed the math above.

Also, the United States is ranked 10th highest in the entire world in number of deaths per 100,000. That is out of the entire globe. There is nothing in these metrics that show anything other than complete and total failure at our ability to deal with this pandemic.

You did the math.

[DMK]

@JayJay

Something changed…it wasn’t our ability…it was our attitude.

People used to graduate from high school with a better education than people are getting in college today.

[mobiusptc]

@TommyLucchese

@Camp

That is what happens when bombarded with nonsense every day about cases of a virus that will not kill 99% of us.

One percent of the population is three and a half million people.

And that doesn’t even get into the long term unknown effect of the virus. Hear issues, nervous system issues, strokes, pulmonary issues that longer month and month after “surviving”

[DOLOOP]

@calirepub

@NuffSaid

@calirepub

@Snow96

Probably .77

If Japan had .77% of it’s population dying from Covid, that would still almost be 1 million people. You missed a few decimal points.

Japan - 1000 deaths in a population of 129M = 0.00078% of the population
SKorea - 301 deaths in a population of 51M = 0.00059% of the population
USA - 170000 deaths in a population of 330M = 0.052% of the population

Which one is not like the others?

Thanks for doing all the math.

All the math makes us look bad.

Why don’t we just do a half-math job of it?

[NebraskaFootball]

@WuWei

@NebraskaFootball

@DougBH

@NebraskaFootball

The WHO, the CDC, and the U.S. surgeon general urged people not to wear masks, hoping to preserve the limited stocks for health-care workers.

That issue with masks had nothing to do with the cloth masks most people are wearing now. There was no shortage of cloth out of which to make these little things from, and that is not what health care workers needed.
Ummm…and I don’t feel particularly defeated.

That is what the article was alluding to. There was no nuance in the communication, which made their apparent about-face seem like a failure on their part.

No “nuance” was required. It was a failure.

Fair enough. As the article clearly indicates it was far from the only one. And make no mistake that several of these failures began well before Trump and will continue long after he is gone.

[NebraskaFootball]

@mobiusptc

@TommyLucchese

@Camp

That is what happens when bombarded with nonsense every day about cases of a virus that will not kill 99% of us.

One percent of the population is three and a half million people.

And that doesn’t even get into the long term unknown effect of the virus. Hear issues, nervous system issues, strokes, pulmonary issues that longer month and month after “surviving”

Exactly. There will be people dealing with COVID complications for the remainder of their lives. This is a particularly nasty virus. And if major changes don’t occur in the United States, then we will find ourselves overly susceptible to future pandemics that could make this one pale in comparison.

[JayJay]

@DMK

@JayJay

Something changed…it wasn’t our ability…it was our attitude.

People used to graduate from high school with a better education than people are getting in college today.

Well that’s not true at all.

[WuWei]

@NebraskaFootball

@WuWei

@NebraskaFootball

@DougBH

@NebraskaFootball

The WHO, the CDC, and the U.S. surgeon general urged people not to wear masks, hoping to preserve the limited stocks for health-care workers.

That issue with masks had nothing to do with the cloth masks most people are wearing now. There was no shortage of cloth out of which to make these little things from, and that is not what health care workers needed.
Ummm…and I don’t feel particularly defeated.

That is what the article was alluding to. There was no nuance in the communication, which made their apparent about-face seem like a failure on their part.

No “nuance” was required. It was a failure.

Fair enough. As the article clearly indicates it was far from the only one. And make no mistake that several of these failures began well before Trump and will continue long after he is gone.

As I clearly pointed out at the link.

[WuWei]

@NebraskaFootball

And if major changes don’t occur in the United States, then we will find ourselves overly susceptible to future pandemics that could make this one pale in comparison.

Based on what and what needs to change?

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@DMK

@JayJay

Something changed…it wasn’t our ability…it was our attitude.

People used to graduate from high school with a better education than people are getting in college today.

Well that’s not true at all.

It’s subjective, but yeah, it is. Depending on what one studies.

[Camp]

Agree.

Tighter border control and domestic production of PPE are at the top of the list.

Trump has it covered.

[JayJay]

Yes it depends on what one studies.

That doesn’t explain why we can’t do great things anymore, or nationally coordinate anything.

That’s more of an attitude change that tells us these things can’t be done, and making sure the people are in place who won’t do it.

[Bodecea]

@Snow96

@NebraskaFootball

So find some comparisons to countries that aren’t shooting their people. How do we compare to Japan? How do we compare to South Korea?

japan, pop 129 million 1,000 deaths (7.7 percent of population.)
US. pop 330 million 170k deaths (5.1 percent of population)

Sourth Korea Pop 51 million 301 (reported) deaths (5.9% of the population)

US death rate per population is lower than both.

Uh…no

[WuWei]

@JayJay

Yes it depends on what one studies.

That doesn’t explain why we can’t do great things anymore, or nationally coordinate anything.

That’s more of an attitude change that tells us these things can’t be done, and making sure the people are in place who won’t do it.

I think the attitude change is “the government will do it” or “I’m owed” and I think your last phrase favors my thinking.

There is nothing that “the people in place” or their replacements" can do that they aren’t already doing and haven’t been doing since it started. No matter who it is.

We, the public, did not do our part. We’re still not. And blaming “the people in place” is a shirking of our responsibility. Abbott never said “Party on!”

We made the decisions, we have to suffer the consequences.

And college students have to do the same.

[NebraskaFootball]

@WuWei

@NebraskaFootball

And if major changes don’t occur in the United States, then we will find ourselves overly susceptible to future pandemics that could make this one pale in comparison.

Based on what and what needs to change?

Based on current results. The entire approach to handling pandemics in the United States. As the article pointed out, this is a starter virus by comparison to some other, much more deadly viruses that could savage our country.

[NebraskaFootball]

@Camp

Agree.

Tighter border control and domestic production of PPE are at the top of the list.

Trump has it covered.

I’m good with both of those suggestions. We diverge on our faith in Trump though.