How Much Central Government Is Too Much?

[WuWei]

@TheRedComet

All those industrialists bought the government. That’s the first step in the way to robber baronhood. You buy the government officials so they pass laws that are good for your business plan.

Indeed. And a monopoly on lethal force is a prerequisite to the final enforcement of those same laws.

The 2nd Amendment is a freakin’ problem.

Tools include “a nation of laws!” and “the common good!”, eminent domain, confiscation, the lawyer guild creating destitution, etc.

[WuWei]

@Steel-W0LF

@Guilds

@Steel-W0LF

Contrast that to the “wage slave” illegals you currently want to stay in the country because “who would pick our crops for $10 a day!!11!?”

I concur, for that kind of work, that is a horrible wage. Which is why most Americans would not do that work for 2-3x that pay.

Which is why the solution is to get rid of the illegals, and force the agricultural industry to hire legal workers at whatever wage supply and demand supports.

Not to import the next class of brown people democrats want picking their crops.

What society has ever existed that did not have people willing or forced to do hard manual labor for low wages? Ever.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

Is it possibly easier to enjoy its fruits in a society where the government makes it legal and enforces it through the judicial system rather than a society where the government simply turns a blind eye to it?

The former certainly “legitimizes” it in “a NaTiOn oF lAwS!”

[WuWei]

@e7alr

The government responded to the whims of the majority at the time. It was a long standing, recognized practice. The policies in the final period were more a reaction to the spreading decrease of societal acceptance of slavery. What was happening was state by state, and nation by nation, governments were moving to outlaw slavery. The act of declaring slavery illegal was the new thing under the law.

Based on an extensive propaganda campaign to rationalize it. Dehumanization, undesirables, unworthy, incapable.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

It being legal and having the backing of the government through legislation and court systems are two very different things.

I don’t agree with that at all.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

They can be considered property without the government writing laws on how they would be treated in different aspects of law including their offspring or at the time of the death of the original owner or their return to the owner upon escape.

I don’t think so. The two go hand in hand in property law.

[SpadeMarlowe]

@tnt

@e7alr

Societal norms are not government mandates.

And yet the government enshrined slavery into law.

If you’re talking about Biden you’re correct.
He oppened the border and created a modern day slavery.
Women are traficked and sold into sex industry, children sold by hundreds of thousands to sweat shops and pedophiles…Cartels killing millions of Americans with Fentanyl…
All this mayhem and assault on a civilized, most advanced and richest society in the World without firing a single bullet or a grain of powder.

Yes it’s the Government but WHOSE Government?
And it’s the same Gov. that fought tooth 'n nail to keep slavery before the Civil War.
Democrats. Then AND now.

[tnt]

@Smyrna

@tnt

Are you seriously arguing that owning slaves was as expensive as hiring free labor?

No…but I am pointing out to YOU that they were far from being of no expense. I may not agree with this methodology but you’re speaking nonsense from strictly a business POV.

Who ever said ‘no expense’?

[WuWei]

Did you ever stop to think, during Biden shrieking, that being illegal increases subjectivity to criminal activity?

[SpadeMarlowe]

@WuWei

Did you ever stop to think, during Biden shrieking, that being illegal increases subjectivity to criminal activity?

I should be asking YOU about that.

[Smyrna]

@tnt

Who ever said ‘no expense’?

Go look in the mirror for your answer.

[WuWei]

@SpadeMarlowe

@WuWei

Did you ever stop to think, during Biden shrieking, that being illegal increases subjectivity to criminal activity?

I should be asking YOU about that.

Yes, I do.

[johnrandolph]

How much is too much?
Any is too much.
Limiting it to what is specifically in the Constitution is a pipe dream as Spooner pointed out.

[WuWei]

Nice avatar

[SpadeMarlowe]

@johnrandolph

How much is too much?
Any is too much.
Limiting it to what is specifically in the Constitution is a pipe dream as Spooner pointed out.

There IS a full proof way to limit it or control it, (The Government), and it’s in the hands of a voter.

Vote the right people into it.

But that takes voter education and critical thinking.
Replace education with Indoctrination and you’re half way there in turning voters into sheeple.

[johnrandolph]

Thanks

[johnrandolph]

Unicorns and Care Bears are real too. You’re not gonna get this in a room filled with twenty or so people, in a country of 300+ million? Not a bloody chance in hell.

[WuWei]

@SpadeMarlowe

Vote the right people into it.

Such as who? Trump?

[FreeAndClear]

@SpadeMarlowe

Replace education with Indoctrination

Outside of very specific subjects all education is indoctrination

[Smyrna]

@WuWei

Such as who? Trump?

No…Kamala was the better choice IYO…amirite?