How Much Central Government Is Too Much?

No…but I am pointing out to YOU that they were far from being of no expense. I may not agree with this methodology but you’re speaking nonsense from strictly a business POV.

Then you are not well informed regarding manufacturing and business because Henry Ford’s assembly line is still used today.

I tried explaining this already so if you want to make further progress, do a 180 and talk to that wall.

I agree. The limits of the constitution seem to be what is debatable.

For example, The 2nd amendment. A classic debate.

What is the definition of “arms”?
Explosives?
Poison gas?
This is not spelled out in the document.

Where does the line get drawn?

If yes, who draws the line?

Do private owners get to restrict the right to carry a weapon?

Does a line even get drawn?

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The government built him an entire school system to crank out NPCs.

Ford was evil.

So is the ass clown’s public school system.

Contrast that to the “wage slave” illegals you currently want to stay in the country because “who would pick our crops for $10 a day!!11!?”

One major difference.

You are placing far too much emphasis on slave labor. Every successful industrialist (like Ford and Carnegie) relied on exploiting the labor of others. And had slavery not been eliminated by the time they were becoming rich, they undoubtedly would also have used the labor of slaves to do so.

Was it considered a societal norm, simple yes or no. I didn’t say if it right or wrong, or if prominent figures of the time did either. I simply stated it was a societal norm.

What makes you think they were independent of government? The “Robber Barrons” virtually owned the government.

Yep. I am reminded of the lyrics from the old Tennessee Ernie Ford song …

“You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter, don’t you call me, 'cause I can’t go
I owe my soul to the company store”

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Like most people in history, Henry Ford is a real mixed bag. He essentially democratized the modern automobile assembly line. Which was very important. And developed the modern work week at FOMOCO, which was good for the workers.

But he was absurdly antisemitic. And in the 30s he was openly pro-Nazi.

So like I said. He was a real mixed bag.

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…and the taxes generated due to his efforts have paid for school systems across the nation and done so for decades and decades.

I totally agree.

But that was after he made himself successful.

I’m not arguing that he was virtuous.

■■■■■■■■■ hey can all afford it, especially if the Feds cut taxes that are paying for it so the states can raise taxes to pay for it. States can’t afford things because the federal government is hogging all the money

Would Jefferson have been successful without enslaving human beings? We’ll never know. I’m sure Ford would have used enslaved labor if that was an option, but it wasn’t.

I think that their success did not rely on a strong central government. They “owned the government” after they became rich and powerful, the government didn’t make them so.

Yes, he would have been just as successful, because all of his competitors in business would be constrained by the “no slaves” condition as well. And your acknowledgment that Ford would have used slaves if it were an option pretty much proves that assessment.