By requiring training and licenses to own one. That means having a gun without having training and a license is a criminal offense. It’s not rocket science …

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My dad gave me and my brother a .22 when I was 10. Hung on our wall till we left the house.

An bunch of things have changes since we were kids. One of them is the number of guns in america. We now have more guns than people. Related to that change, the NRA used to write gun control legislation for congress and lobby for it’s passage. Their focus was on gun safety. They had no significant financial ties to gun manufacturers. Now they vehemently oppose all gun regulations, and stoke fear that gun grabbers are coming, and they take millions into their lobbying arm from gun manufacturers.

If you look at graph 5 and 6, I just don’t see how guns aren’t a big part of it.

Saying ‘it’s our people’ is saying ‘americans are killers’. And I just don’t believe that.

There are more guns, but fewer gun owners … at least as a percent of the population. And it is far more difficult to buy one now than it was 50-60 years ago.

So tell me, why didn’t you shoot up your school when you were 12? … or 17 …or 20? What did your age have to do with it?

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Has there ever been a school shooting with a bolt action .22? Pretty sure the nuns in my grade school would have cleaned my clock while I reloaded…

What difference does it make? Is a killer any less of a killer if they only shoot two or three rather than half a dozen or more? Or of course you could have shot your mom and/or dad and taken their guns like Adam Lanza did … what stopped you?

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I got my first gun, a .410 when I was 10. Reason I know this is because my dad and I went hunting the day after Thanksgiving and didn’t get anything BUT after i got home me and a buddy went down by the creek and I slipped on some mud and damn near cut my pinkie off and this was in 76

So you think it’s impossible for a teacher to “raise the danger flag” when they see a kid drawing stuff like the kid in Michigan??

Or the latest whackjob who WAS known to police as being dangerous, to flag him as well??

Sounds like you want to take thr easy way out and NOT address the elephant in the room. With that mindset you will get nowhere. Responsible owners are screaming to address these issues. Makes absolutely zero sense to me as to why you don’t.

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Okay, but raise the flag to who? I thought we had turned against red flag laws?

No, I think it’s possible. And I also think it is happening even now, but of course that doesn’t make the news, right? Why should it?

How many kids last year sent signals, were noticed, and received help because their parents, or teachers recognized signs and acted?

But what I am saying is, thinking that parents and communities can catch every single kid every single time is foolish. and it only takes one to murder a bunch of kids with a powerful, semi-automatic rifle.

If that ■■■■■■ in Uvalde was armed with a .22 bolt action do you think 400 cops are with pistols and semi-auto rifles and shot guns would have stood around for 3 hours?

That’s not true.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

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Thanks.

My bad - misread the heading.

That’s right my lawn, aka my rights. Get off of them.

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There is no “we”. You and I already have different attitudes about guns.

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That’s fine. Same for voting, the draft, sexual consent, marriage, and everything else.

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Who’s #1?

Why?

  1. Most gun deaths are suicides
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“Gun regulations”, aka infringements. Since 1934.

  1. National Firearms Act (NFA) (1934)
  2. Federal Firearms Act of 1938 (FFA)
  3. Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (1968)
  4. Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA)
  5. Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) (1986)
  6. Undetectable Firearms Act (1988)
  7. Gun-Free School Zones Act (1990)
  8. Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993)
  9. Federal Assault Weapons Ban (1994–2004)
  10. Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (2022)

These are just the major federal laws, not including state and local, that infringe on the 2nd Amendment. Every one of them contain infringements. Every one of them except the last has failed to prevent what you are sky screaming about, that one will fail too.

As you can see, we gave at the office.

BGC have been a requirement since 1993. All but a very few of the bat ■■■■ crazy murderers had a BGC, something your ilk fails to admit.

Uvalde did.

See, the thing about a BGC is in order for it to work, you have to have a BG to C. No BG, no ping. 18 year-olds don’t have much of a BG.

Your demand will not change that, it will require me to have a BGC run on my own son to give him a birthday present. Great plan. Another infringement and putting government in the father-son relationship.

The total number of guns in the country is completely irrelevant. You can’t shoot more than one gun at a time. As I explained yesterday, Uvalde bought 2, he used one. Your Vox article is garbage. It is a pile of correlation desperately calling itself causation.

The most telling “point” in the whole thing is 10. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Suicides are a mental health problem, not a gun problem. Did your article run a comparison between the demographics of mass murderers and suicides with a gun? Wonder why not?

The NRA still focuses on gun safety. They got into the lobbying because of that laundry list above. Newsome just passed a law allowing the suing of Toyota if their cars are used in a cri…I mean suing gun manufacturers, who have no relationship at all with buyers, if a gun they manufactured is used in a crime-a clear violation of law and principle. That’s why the NRA started getting involved.

As you can see if you research just a little bit, “they are coming for your guns” is not a myth, it’s a fact. An insidious, concerted effort to diminish a right to the tipping point. Imposition creating ressentiment.

We gave. We compromised. It didn’t address the problem. And still you come. Because you refuse to admit what the problem actually is.

Want to make the age of majority 21? Fine. If a 17 year-old is mental, is he going to grow out of it on his own in 3 years and a day? Because that’s what you’re saying, hoping.

They are already breaking multiple laws and your “answer” is more laws? That makes sense? You want to “destigmatize” mental health by removing a right because of mental health? And it will be permanent.

Just like with Marxism, this whole blind faith that “this next law is the one that will fix it” is absurd. It is fanatical. And it’s a lie.

You are demanding a band aid on a scraped knee while your patient is dying of a sucking chest.

We don’t have a gun problem, we’ve got a huge male youth problem, and it’s killing us and them. Address the problem.

The frustrating thing for me is that low information people such as yourself have a voice in policy. Your vote counts the same as mine. But you are emotional instead of informed.

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