How Important is Russian Hacking to Our Democracy?

dantes · 2018-07-19T16:19:56.791Z

How so?

/tenchars

Camp · 2018-07-19T16:26:32.426Z

Beslan.

Also remember this…The most important disagreement, however, was over the opening of a second front in the West. Stalin’s troops struggled to hold the Eastern front against the Nazi forces, and the Soviets began pleading for a British invasion of France immediately after the Nazi invasion in 1941. In 1942, Roosevelt unwisely promised the Soviets that the Allies would open the second front that autumn. Although Stalin only grumbled when the invasion was postponed until 1943, he exploded the following year when the invasion was postponed again until May of 1944. In retaliation, Stalin recalled his ambassadors from London and Washington and fears soon arose that the Soviets might seek a separate peace with Germany.

Soviets were very bitter over this. Unjustly IMO, but a thing to remember.

Lots more good condensed diplomatic history here…Milestones: 1937–1945 - Office of the Historian

It may appear to you I am somehow siding or favoring Russia. I just understand their side. I also am able to trust Russia, while I can never say the same for the spontaneous Jihadi murderous acts.

Oryx · 2018-07-19T16:26:47.309Z

Guvnah:

Does calling people stupid who you disagree with politically make you feel intelligent?

Was that some rhetorical question? Because I certainly didn’t do that.

Guvnah:

Smarter libs would be avoiding this question and this thread like the plague.

I guess you didn’t literally use the word “stupid.”

FreeAndClear · 2018-07-19T16:31:10.433Z

What about beslan?

PeterGriffin · 2018-07-19T16:36:02.755Z

Gee, I wonder why the Freedom Caucus would vote this down?

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JayJay · 2018-07-19T16:37:21.514Z

No- that part was discussed as well.

You ASSUME Obama “did nothing” to stip the attacks.

That is your ASSUMPTION…not a fact.

It’s not a “juvenille response when ‘libs’ can’t address something”.

It is the playbook.

Make argument…argument gets answered…wait a while…make same argument and pretend it’s being “ignored” because it’s “too hard to be dealt with”.

Happens ALL the time.

I mean hell…Trump’s own security guys are telling him the cyberattacks are still going on…we hear the NSA is trying to come up with plans to address them with ZERO guidance from the White House.

Yet it’s somehow not Trump’s fault even though he’s now President.

It’s Obama’s fault.

Apocalypto · 2018-07-19T16:38:26.407Z

232 voted no. This is insanity at the highest levels. Wow!

PeterGriffin · 2018-07-19T16:40:39.772Z

Apocalypto:

232 voted no. This is insanity at the highest levels. Wow!

Russians are helping Republicans get elected. They still want the help.

Cratic3947 · 2018-07-19T16:40:59.888Z

komobu:

Really…How important is Russian Hacking to our democracy? If the right person had been elected, should we or would we have looked the other way? It seems to me like no cared about the DNC hacking as long as it looked like Hillary was going to win. Did it only become an important issue when Hillary lost?

Whats interesting to me is that the dems did nothing about it at all while Obama was the president. Obama himself said that they could not change a single vote. How come none of the Dems cared about it when it was actually happening, Was it not a threat to our democracy as long as Hillary was winning? Did it suddenly become an issue when she lost? What changed between the time the hacking was discovered and now? What happened that caused it to be an issue now, where it wasnt an issue when it actually happened?

Then there was the whole hot mic issue when Obama announced to Russian President Medvedev that he would have more flexibility to deal with missile defense after the election. But no one talked about treason for that remark. Was Russia our friends at that time? If so, when did they become a threat? If they weren’t are friends at that time either, why did no one care about our missile defense being negotiated away?

If I am missing something, please explain it to me.

The left can’t accept they lost because of their candidate, and that a complete amateur beat them… That’s all this is about because, as you say, Obama was much nicer to Putin than Trump, and no one called it treason.

Attreyu · 2018-07-19T16:44:16.600Z

It is extremely important, any country that tampers with our elections be held responsible, but we need to stop tampering with other countries elections like Israel and Russia and not think they wont retaliate. I think the Mueller probe should continue , and I believe there needs to be a special prosecutor who investigates the Hillary and DNC server to see if they were election tampering in other countries, Democrats claim to be worried about globalism, but only care that our elections were tampered with, and not that we tamper in other countries elections. You get what you give. The server being investigated by the DNC chosen Crowdstrike is not good enough, the Server needs to be handed over to the authorities, but by now its probably destroyed and or scrubbed of all Data. Its amazing we have an investigation into Russia meddling but the most crucial piece that was hacked was never turned over to the proper authorities.

Attreyu · 2018-07-19T16:46:05.387Z

If its true and that the Obama Admin and DNC gave Broward money to influence the Russia election, that Putin would fight back against the DNC/ Hillary. You get what you give. WE need to stop acting outraged that our elections were tampered with, when we are tampering with other countries elections.

Drs · 2018-07-19T16:51:24.007Z

Better tell the US government and army then to stop the propaganda warfare efforts to combat Islamic extremists.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-07-19T16:53:39.725Z

Drs:

Better tell the US government and army then to stop the propaganda warfare efforts to combat Islamic extremists.

What? The caliphate has democratic elections now?

Drs · 2018-07-19T16:56:34.460Z

Never said it was. They target the same simple minded people that believe the stuff in tabloids at the super market or that reality tv shows and talk shows are real. Or that pundits believe in morals and values they pretend to hold too and judge others by.

Camp · 2018-07-19T16:58:40.553Z

Well stated. Thank you.

Attreyu · 2018-07-19T17:04:49.279Z

The problem that is obvious that democrats and republicans dont want to admit! Putin in plain site eluded to the fact that if you influence our elections, we cant promise we wont influence yours. He even went on to say that the DNC/ Broward were trying to influence the election in favor of Putins competitor. He said Mueller is welcome to interrogate anyone he wants, but Putin wants to investigate Broward for influencing his elections. You cant have it one way without admitting the other. The reason hillary was hacked was because her and the dnc were influencing the Russia election, and Putin wanted payback. the more we make it about him supporting Trump the further away from the truth we got. Putin was retaliating against those who retaliated against him in his elections. The phrase is true, you get what you give. Obama tried to influence the Israel and Russia elections and its now backfiring. Russia tampering is wrong, us tampering with russia is wrong, and any presidential candidate not admitting we were hacked is wrong. The DNC and RNC are both to blame.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-07-19T17:06:35.175Z

JayJay:

I mean hell…Trump’s own security guys are telling him the cyberattacks are still going on…we hear the NSA is trying to come up with plans to address them with ZERO guidance from the White House.

Yeah… the NSA…the puzzle palace that one guy named Snowden snookered.

Speaking of snookering…

Treason is soooooo much a concern to libs that Barack Hussein commuted Bradly Manning’s 40 some year sentence.

And who can forget THIS event for one of Obama’s heros.

Yeah…libs … pretending that you are outraged over something that you imagine is treason.

komobu · 2018-07-19T22:11:56.276Z

Drs:

So they responded to a candidate in public to comments he made in public.

Did they then secretly set up to influence the election by hacking and buying ads?

Did they send in operatives to work with lobbyists?

No…But you may be thinking of Obama and Netanyahu in Israel.

WuWei · 2018-07-20T01:45:37.225Z

dantes:

How so?

/tenchars

You don’t know your history.

dantes · 2018-07-20T01:48:11.522Z

I’m listening.