How Do You Think Corona Is Going To "End"

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@JayJay

Hmm…maybe this pandemic will teach us something then…

In the John Hopkins report which rated the US the most prepared country in the world, the threats to the US were very interesting to me.

I just started to read that this weekend.

[Samm]

@Tangible08

@Samm

@WuWei

@Samm

That is outside the discussion of birth control.

Here … this is where you came into the conversation: Note the discussion in the nested quotes.’

@Samm

@WuWei

@Tangible08

@Samm

Regardless of all the philosophical points one can come up with, a reduction of the population by 2.5% or even 10%, won’t hurt the species at all and could actually help it. You can find very little disagreement with the premise that there are already too many people for the good of the planet and nearly every living thing on it. That is my point.

And there is nothing simple about limiting birth rate without a totalitarian government. And that would be worse for humanity than procreating our selves out of a place at the dinner table.

Using contraceptives and making sure people are educated and women can work is enough to reduce the population growth to sustainable levels. No totalitarian government needed.

Who said anything about totalitarian government?

I did, right there in the nested post. To achieve a negative birth rate globally, it would take totalitarian governments to force it upon the people … like China did a few decades back.

Abortion then.

Forced abortion still requires a totalitarian government.

Countries that promote contraceptives, education & economic mobility for women naturally see declines in birth rate. There are already countries that have a birth rate below replacement.

Your assertion that forced abortions is the only way to manage population growth is ridiculously false.

A decline in birth rate is seldom sufficient on its own to achieve the rate that is necessary to produce either a zero population growth or a decline in population. That takes the authority of government to achieve … like China attempted.

[Samm]

@GWH

Something interesting, not sure if posted yet, but this graph from IHME says deaths will plateau around May 1. Over August 1. Of course no indications on any rates on relapses in the event of it becoming a seasonal illness.

Very good. But I assume that also assumes that the public remains vigilant rather than become complacent as cases diminish.

[acsirip]

@Samm

A decline in birth rate is seldom sufficient on its own to achieve the rate that is necessary to produce either a zero population growth or a decline in population. That takes the authority of government to achieve … like China attempted.

Birth rates in the EU are low with the average woman having 1.6 children.
(it ranges from 1.26 in Malta to 1.90 in France).
Europe is aging:

Ageing of Europe

[Samm]

Fine, but the population of the EU is less than 7% of the world population.

[acsirip]

It is not the same for most of the western world? For most of the developed countries?

[Samm]

@acsirip

It is not the same for most of the western world? For most of the developed countries?

The discussion was global population.

[acsirip]

'Remarkable' decline in fertility rates

Why is the fertility rate falling?
(…)
Instead it is being put down to three key factors:

• Fewer deaths in childhood meaning women have fewer babies
• Greater access to contraception
• More women in education and work

[WuWei]

Abortions

[acsirip]

I believe that they also play a part on it.

[WildRose]

So we keep the economy on shut down and people on house arrest for a year or more?

Are you actively campaigning for a depression?

Are you hoping that the rest of the industrialized world will leave us at the starting line while they race back to normalcy?