Being that male & female are arbitrary terms, which try to pigeon hole people in arbitrary social constructs, how do you view the way Ukrainian leadership is conducting themselves in this conflict?
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I’m honestly kind of surprised they only called upon males for the Levee en Masse.
Considering how society has changed over the past 100 years, I’d have expected them to call up everyone.
That said, Eastern Europe is more traditionally minded than Western Europe. So I guess that makes sense
I thought all Europe was generally more “progressive” than the US. Has there been any outrage by the MSM that you are aware of the Ukrainian leadership conducting themselves in such a way?
22% of their military are woman.
there are a lot of woman fighting.
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DougBH
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Plus transvestites, no doubt.
Fortunately, we have a woke government that can provide Ukraine guidance on these things, if not a ban on Russian oil sales.
how is any of that relevant.
I though Republican loved the troops.
JimmyC
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Glad we are focusing on what’s really important and not getting distracted by side issues vis a vis the Russia-Ukraine situation
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DougBH
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Diversity, equity and inclusion not relevant? Silence is violence.
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I really don’t care if someone is woman, man, or kangaroo if they can perform their job.
you seem to think they can’t.
DougBH
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You seem to interpret a lot.
Your the one derailing this thread into some “anti-woke” cultural war.
let get back to the subject Ukrainian conscription.
DougBH
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I don’t think so. If 80% of those staying and in the military are women, then Ukraine appears to have a practical and somewhat traditional view of the military. In many schools and other organizations in the US follow the mantra of diversity, equity and inclusion, then why is proportionality and equal representation not an issue? It’s like if there is a real issue, the woke slogans aren’t important anymore.
There are other threads covering the actions and implications of Russia and other parties. This was about peoples feelings of a traditionalist view by Ukrainians.
I agree, who can do the job is what should count…here and in Ukraine.
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It’s tearing my wife’s relationship with her parents apart. They didn’t leave when they could (Should Have) even though they are close to the Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary borders they had their pick.
Her brother was in college in Brovery that’s a bit east of Kiev after a few days he finally drove home to Ivano-Frankisk then that law was put up no one between 18-60 he is 20 so the only way they are getting out is to go through the hills.
Her mother is ripping the U.S. for not intervening (They are glued to what Ukrainians President says). I told my wife now your an American damn if you intervene damn if you don’t.
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Western Europe is much more “woke” than the US. Eastern Europe is far more traditionally minded than most of the US.
They have plenty of women fighting in the armed forces, but I think the debate over whether to expand the levee en masse to include women is butting heads with their traditional belief systems.
With things getting worse for Kiev, I feel like they are going to expand it soon. Survival trumps values.
In 1945 the US was this close (holding fingers a mm apart) to drafting women for the Army Nurse Corps. If the war would have drug on just a few more months the US government would have started drafting and inducting women not already in the armed forces to serve as nurses. And not small numbers either. 18-27 was without children I believe was going to be the parameters.
They would have received Army GI basic training, then went to advanced training for nursing, and then shipped to the Pacific theater to operate in military hospitals (basically the step above triage and field hospitals).
The atomic bombings and Japan’s surrender put a stop to all that.
I think it’s reasonable to levee the males, but accept females who wish to serve.
Isn’t that more or less what we do here with the Selective Service?
Samm
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Yeah, look at these young men learning to use an AK 47 in defense of their country. Where are the women?
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Basically but we don’t actively draft. There hasn’t been a draft in the US since 1973.
Selective service is a method of putting men who are 18 or older into a system to where if a draft was called, they could be located and inducted quickly. Barring them being rejected for medical ailments or legitimate excuses decided by a draft board, which would be on a county by county level.
Thing is though that the situation for Ukraine is going to become critical.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they expanded the levee to include women.
Like I said earlier, survival trumps values.
conscription normally only applies to men.
but even then Ukraine has one of the highest female military trained population in the world, mostly because they have been waiting for this to happen since 2015.
I think they needed to make a choice about drafting woman, Ukraine has no issue with female serving.
but I think people are forgetting about the huge refugee crisis and a lot of children will need help getting out of the country, drafting one parent and not both remove a little bit of the burden on the children to try and flee an active warzone,
some parent are both enlisting and sending their children to the border with phone numbers sown to their jackets, its very heartbreaking.
True, but Zelensky wants to fight this to the very end (as of now, that may change but I doubt it) and wants those same children to have a country to come back to one day.
They could expand the levee to include women, but induct them in smaller numbers. Instead of every fit female being inducted, it could be every other fit female.
And I agree. It’s extremely depressing. I watched a video earlier tonight of a few kids, probably toddlers, being carried by four people in bed covers, carried at all four points so the kids could sleep laying down as they ran out of a city. Chances are they hadn’t slept for days, forced to live in bomb shelters listening to the entire world above them end. I almost cried.
I understand that this is war, and war is always like this. But it’s still awful to see.
It’s always the kids who get the worst of it. They don’t understand what’s going on. They don’t know why they are seeing people laying in streets, killed by shrapnel from shells. All they know is that something is horribly wrong. They shouldn’t be forced to see this ■■■■■
At least adults know what it is, and can compartmentalize it to a degree. For kids, it just an unending nightmare.