House Democrats to propose universal background checks for gun sales

BlueTex · 2019-01-08T02:53:32.839Z

WuWei:

Hawaii is violation of the US Constitution and at least 2 SCOTUS decisions.

Going back to Cicero , what grounds and what did the FCCA do to their ordinance?

And Hawaii has been for 24 years yet the NRA and any number of potential plaintiff’s are unable to make a case or you are wrong… Hmmm… which one makes the most sense…

WuWei · 2019-01-08T02:55:35.096Z

BlueTex:

And Hawaii has been for 24 years yet the NRA and any number of potential plaintiff’s are unable to make a case or you are wrong… Hmmm… which one makes the most sense…

No, not 24 years. About two. Thomas and Goresich are going to settle their hash.

BlueTex · 2019-01-08T02:56:44.456Z

WuWei:

No, not 24 years. About two. Thomas and Goresich are going to settle their hash.

Care to cite the case that’s going to “settle their hash”?

bluedogdem · 2019-01-08T02:59:22.298Z

Didn’t Wayne lapierre want universal background checks

WuWei · 2019-01-08T03:00:20.192Z

There are several options, I’m sure you can find one. Peruta should have been it. Just a matter of time.

BlueTex · 2019-01-08T03:02:35.386Z

WuWei:

There are several options, I’m sure you can find one. Peruta should have been it. Just a matter of time.

Don’t keep us in suspense… Peruta was about concealed carry, not universal background checks and registration… Tell us the cases so we can test your mastery of the law…

WuWei · 2019-01-08T03:03:59.833Z

BlueTex:

we can test your

you are not qualified to test my smoke detectors. But hey! Have a nice night.

BlueTex · 2019-01-08T03:06:00.675Z

WuWei:

you are not qualified to test my smoke detectors. But hey! Have a nice night.

Good day sir, looking forward to hearing more about your mastery of the law in future threads…

kingarthur65 · 2019-01-08T03:11:17.226Z

WuWei:

you are not qualified to test my smoke detectors. But hey! Have a nice night.

Not necessary, Sneaky. You are smarter than to resort to this, but bless your sweet little heart.

Steel-W0LF · 2019-01-08T03:24:10.545Z

tnt:

Steel-W0LF:

Why not call it the “private sale loophole” then?

The answer is because that would tell the uninformed what they are actually going after.

Because the loophole is, a consumer can go to a gun show and browse table after table of guns - much like going to a store and seeing hundreds of weapons to choose from. But despite the gun show as a whole acting like a huge gun shop, it is really inndividual gun sellers at each table, so BGC aren’t required.

But honestly who cares what it is called?

Let me guess. This is what you’ve heard about gun shows from someone who’s never been to one.

Because it’s obvious to anyone in the know that wherever this idea of tables and tables of unlicensed individuals selling guns came from has never actually been to a gun show.

TheRedComet · 2019-01-08T03:29:05.048Z

We could just follow the ■■■■■■■ constitution.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Seems open and closed to me.

TheRedComet · 2019-01-08T03:30:53.139Z

The last show I went to had nothing but FFL dealers. If there was any private sales going on I didn’t see it.

Steel-W0LF · 2019-01-08T04:05:12.257Z

Yup. That’s pretty much how they all are.

Only one time have a seen a private seller with a large table/booth at a gun show.

An old gun collector had passed away and the family was selling his collection.

Somehow people have this idea of guys driving around in cargo vans selling guns at gun shows without a license. I think it was from a movie, and now the anti gun crowd thinks that’s reality.

tnt · 2019-01-08T04:11:46.481Z

here is an iterating piece on this topic. Reinforces your criticism of the label.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/

kermode · 2019-01-08T04:45:55.024Z

IMHO arguing over the phrase “gun show loophole” is irrelevant.
People know when these proposals are put on the ballot it’s about private sales.
It certainly was here in WA.

Steel-W0LF · 2019-01-08T06:23:40.077Z

I think you’d be surprised at how many don’t.

There’s a reason it’s called the gun shop loophole, and not the private sales loophole.

FloridaYankee · 2019-01-08T10:06:06.176Z

IBC:

Sure, but that doesn’t help your case. ATF is concerned with intent. If you get busted by ATF with intent to sell for profit, or as a business, you’ll be charged. Even if it’s just one gun.

I’m not looking to get people arrested but you can’t tell me they are doing that just for fun.

WuWei · 2019-01-08T18:12:06.450Z

kingarthur65:

Not necessary, Sneaky. You are smarter than to resort to this, but bless your sweet little heart.

He’s not? Point taken.

Grassroots · 2019-01-08T18:16:38.256Z

Look how angry all these gun obsessed dudes are!

IBC · 2019-01-08T18:52:15.133Z

There are any number of reasons why a private seller might be at a gun show. However, if they are at a gun show, selling in volume, they better be selling off an inherited collection or their personal collection for solid reasons. Otherwise, they’ll be paying a hefty fine and occupying a cell. Simply stated, they aren’t “effectively” dealers because they can’t move material in the volume that a dealer can, nor make money off of the enterprise to any significant degree. At least, not if they want to keep their money and their freedom.