Stop making ■■■■ up.
MY POST was to Ben, and was meant to provided him with a recent court decision expounding upon jus soli.
I made no argument, or “circular argument” in the post which you accused me of.
Stop making ■■■■ up.
I will. Stop quoting it if you don’t understand it. Be a man, not a parrot.
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Then stop posting walls of quote that don’t apply to the premise. The fact is, everyone born in this country who is not attached diplomatically to another country is afforded US citizenship under the 14th Amendment. That is the law of the land until it is changed. And an Executive Oder cannot change it. Those are not my opinions … I did not make them up … those are the cold hard facts in spite of all your efforts to “prove” otherwise.
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No. Why do you and WuWei want to censor me?
I posted part of an OPINION issued by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia which contained a recent [2015] exposition concerning jus soli, a subject which Ben_Natuf had been discussing. After doing so, and in response to my post to Ben, you couldn’t control yourself and decided to provoke an argument, by accusing me of something you made up.
I don’t. I want you to post your words.
We are not the Government, We cannot censor you. And likewise, you cannot censor us.
Your argument, while loaded with various facts and allegedly supporting documentation (quite honestly, I have quit reading them) does not rebut the fact that all individuals born here, regardless of parentage (unless exempted diplomatically) are citizens of the United States. No amount of bluster and posturing and quoting of questionably pertinent documents by you is going to change that. You (and I) may wish that the offspring of illegal immigrants and tourists who are born here were not granted citizenship jus soli, but that’s how it works and wishing won’t chage it. Only an Amendment can do that.
Get it moving. I’ll vote to ratify it.
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Agreed, but I won’t vote for it.
That is your unsubstantiated opinion.
Considering Tuaua v. United States, 788 F.3d 300, 305-6 (D.C. Cir. 2015), in which the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia provided a very clear exposition concerning jus soli refuting your opinion, and that current “policy” (not statutory law) recognizes offspring born to illegal entrant foreign national while on American soil as citizens of the United States, it follows that a current Administration is free to adopt a new policy not recognizing the offspring born to an illegal entrant foreign national while on American soil, as a citizen of the United States.
Hopefully Trump keeps his promise to end current birthright policy, which recognizes citizenship for the offspring born to illegal entrant foreign nationals while on American soil.
That last sentence explains the entirety of Europe’s immigration problem including terrorism. I would start a thread but i don’t think it would receive any real attention.
Still geographically and you are still missing that fact.
Out of curiosity … Why? From a pure logical perspective, it makes no sense to anoint a newborn with citizenship when their mother intentionally broke our law to get here. And really, the same logic applies to tourists who deliberately schedules a trip here for the explicit purpose of giving birth to an American. And it’s not just about the child. The term “anchor baby” comes to mind.
Repeating the same thing over and over does not change anything. There is no precedent setting ruling that undoes jus soli per the 14th Amendment. Trump can certainly try, and all the more power to him, but it is almost certainly doomed to fail even with the current conservative court to rule on the inevitable court challenge.
It is not annointing.
What makes no sense is denying citizenship to the only country they will ever know.
Allegiance is a two street, it has to be built. Where is the child’s benefit?
And sins of the mother? Really?
Leaving millions of people in limbo is a recipe for disaster. You want them to assimilate? They have to be brought into the fold. They have to be motivated, feel a sense of belonging. Not shoved to the side.
This zealot Old Testament need for revenge is not at all productive.
They aren’t hurting you, they’re MAGAing the US. They are better citizens of the US that the whitebread descendants of the Mayflower.
The appreciate the blessing of being citizens of this country.
Time to recognize them.
They aren’t a problem. The outrage stirred up by the media is. They aren’t taking from you, they’re giving.
Stop or at least slowdown the flood from Venezuela et al. Do what can be done to secure the borders.
If they get in, treat the foreigners among you as you treat your own.
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You are absolutely correct. Truth and documented facts cannot be changed to what they are not.
And considering Tuaua v. United States,in which the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in 2015 provided a very clear exposition concerning jus soli refuting your opinion, and that current “policy” (not statutory law) recognizes offspring born to illegal entrant foreign national while on American soil as citizens of the United States, it follows that the Trump Administration is free to adopt a new policy not recognizing the offspring born to an illegal entrant foreign national while on American soil, as a citizen of the United States.
Hopefully Trump keeps his promise to end current birthright policy, which wrongly recognizes citizenship for the offspring born to illegal entrant foreign nationals while on American soil.
It’s a great day in America and we have something to be very thankful for, now that Trump has been reelected.
Well, they certainly are getting in. But do you really want to treat them as your own?
pure strawman. A pregnant woman coming into the country and giving birth today, and then being sent back home with her whelp has no effect on the child. The “only” country he will ever know is the one he came from.
That would be a problem for his nation, not this one
kick them out as soon as the mother and babe leave the hospital, the baby will never even know he was here
I do, when my own trespass, I kick them out
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Nice.
not here to be nice
Convey … anoint … same difference.
The children born here to illegal immigrants would only know the country that their parents came from if they are all promptly deported. No child has knowledge of where they are born until they are old enough to remember it. In most cases, that is at 5-6 years old.
But I appreciate and accept your explanation of your opinion on the matter. We all have strong opinions about this.
No. They are. Just like you were.
You cannot deport US citizens.
