Historic cold snap for texas

[PeterGriffin]

@tnt

If you leave these decisions up tot he profit based corps they are gonna cheap out every time.

How much is this disaster going to cost them? Not much in the scheme of things. But the people with the frozen pipes and ruined houses? Plenty.

The state will end up spending tons and the corps will just mop up a little and keep getting rich

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses. American late stage capitalism.

[PeterGriffin]

@Samm

Yep. But that is all part of the risk. And who knows, these weather conditions may not occur again for another 20-30 years … or ever. Those are the kind of unknowns that the people spending the money on big projects have to deal with all the time

Utter bollocks. These happen every 8-10 years and will be happening more frequently with climate change. What you call risk assessment is known in industry as “reckless”, “dereliction”, things like that.

Sounds like Rumsfeld ruminating about known unknowns and unknown unknowns before he resigned in disgrace.

[biggestal99]

@PeterGriffin

chools, roads, police, water, basically anything in the public interest

Prisons…

Allan

[Tom_Ch]

The question here is will there be any consequences from this disaster.

• change to energy policy
• improve readiness for extreme weather
• leadership change

or will this be forgotten?

[sikofit]

@Samm

Your Fukushima example though is perfect. Seismologists estimated the largest quake possible on that fault and likewise, scientists estimated the maximum tsunami it might produce. Accordingly, tsunami barriers were built to protect numerous cities along the coast. But their height undoubtedly was determined by probability … the probability of a wave exceeding a certain size.

There is a difference. Fukushima actually took some responsibility and took preventive precautions even if they didn’t prove to be enough. ERCOT just straight up ignored them. It would be an entirely different matter of they had winterized but still got overwhelmed.

The parts of Texas not on its ERCOT power grid appear to have weathered the...

[tnt]

@PeterGriffin

Whaaat? The Free Market didn’t regulate itself again? I’ve been told that’s inherent, markets regulate themselves out of their own long term interest.

We used to know there certain things in the public interest you didn’t trust to the free market and private business. Schools, roads, police, water, basically anything in the public interest.

Crazy, right?

And once again, these private unregulated corps got to keep the money in their pocket, and the mess they created will be cleaned up on the dime on the very tax payers suffering from their mismanagement.

Free markets on the way up, socialism on the way down. Every ■■■■■■■ time.

[tnt]

Is it worth digging up Cruz’s tweets about CA during their brownouts? Or have we gone over that already?

Meanwhile, he’s in Cancun.

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@Samm

And which, if the atmospheric conditions hadn’t been just so, wouldn’t have happened.

If I had a million dollars I’d be a millionaire.

It did happen. Deal with reality, not ifs.

Allan

If you hadn’t joined this Forum, we wouldn’t have the benefit of your wisdom.

[Samm]

@tnt

If you leave these decisions up tot he profit based corps they are gonna cheap out every time.

How much is this disaster going to cost them? Not much in the scheme of things. But the people with the frozen pipes and ruined houses? Plenty.

The state will end up spending tons and the corps will just mop up a little and keep getting rich.

Again, ERCOT is a non-profit corporation. Their rates are regulated by the State, which means if their costs are increased, the cost of electricity goes up to cover those costs.

[Samm]

@PeterGriffin

@Samm

Yep. But that is all part of the risk. And who knows, these weather conditions may not occur again for another 20-30 years … or ever. Those are the kind of unknowns that the people spending the money on big projects have to deal with all the time

Utter bollocks. These happen every 8-10 years and will be happening more frequently with climate change. What you call risk assessment is known in industry as “reckless”, “dereliction”, things like that.

Sounds like Rumsfeld ruminating about known unknowns and unknown unknowns before he resigned in disgrace.

If that’s the case, why didn’t we hear about it happening 8-10 years ago? Oh yeah … because it didn’t.

As inexact as weather forecasting is, climate forecasting is worse. Pretending you know anything at all about the risk assessment is humorous at best.

[Samm]

I can’t argue you there.

[Samm]

@tnt

@PeterGriffin

Whaaat? The Free Market didn’t regulate itself again? I’ve been told that’s inherent, markets regulate themselves out of their own long term interest.

We used to know there certain things in the public interest you didn’t trust to the free market and private business. Schools, roads, police, water, basically anything in the public interest.

Crazy, right?

And once again, these private unregulated corps got to keep the money in their pocket, and the mess they created will be cleaned up on the dime on the very tax payers suffering from their mismanagement.

Free markets on the way up, socialism on the way down. Every ■■■■■■■ time.

They are NOT unregulated. ALL utility companies are regulated.

[PeterGriffin]

@Samm

If that’s the case, why didn’t we hear about it happening 8-10 years ago? Oh yeah … because it didn’t.

Ice and Injuries Mar Super Bowl Events (Published 2011)

The Feds wrote a report giving guidelines and recommendations to Texas on winterizing their energy infrastructure in the follow up to that. Didn’t happen. That was 10 years ago.

[sikofit]

@PeterGriffin

@Samm

If that’s the case, why didn’t we hear about it happening 8-10 years ago? Oh yeah … because it didn’t.

Super Bowl Festivities Snarled by Snow, Ice and Injury - The New York Times

The Feds wrote a report giving guidelines and recommendations to Texas on winterizing their energy infrastructure in the follow up to that. Didn’t happen. That was 10 years ago.

He knows. This has already been covered several times

[Samm]

A football stadium shedding snow is not the equivalent of the power grid collapsing.

[hwyflier]

The extreme weather unexpectedly mild temperatures under blue skies continues in Texas, thus bringing out another emergency warning from ERCOT

Texas grid operator urges electricity conservation as many power generators...

If power goes out this week from a regular june week, any company with always on machinery like silicone fabs are going to rightly go apoplectic.

It’s not crazy at all to have expected this week to be in the 100’s, according to ERCOT if that were the case we would be in trooooouble.

2800mw to spare statewide, right now.

[SottoVoce]

Nothing political from me (for now ). I hope Texas gets through it without issues. Heat without AC means trouble for many people.

[DMK]

@SottoVoce

Nothing political from me (for now ). I hope Texas gets through it without issues. Heat without AC means trouble for many people.

Whole home generators are pretty popular where I live as we are prone to power outages with tropical storms and hurricanes.

Even just getting a portable generator / AC and closing off the room the AC in is is helpful.

[SixFoot]

It’s been in the high 90’s all week here. Pool feels great!

[DMK]

@SixFoot

It’s been in the high 90’s all week here. Pool feels great!

Livin’ the Dream