Someone who puts in the time, energy and effort in an Engineering degree statistically has a much more substantial chance of getting out what they put into it than say someone pursuing a Gender Studies degree. Wouldn’t you agree?
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Hmm. Ok. That might be true. Can you provide an example? Not opposed to other points of view.
I agree. You should know that going into it. But there’s nothing inherently problematic about the the degree.
There’s this:
In addition, woke has bled over into hard sciences. Medicine is rife with it. Quotas, equity, grade standards lowered, etc.
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I come from a family of physicians and I speak frequently with my own physicians. Their main source of angst is the EPIC computer platform and their patient load. Nothing about woke, which has probably lost its meaning anyway. Moreover, if you worry that your degree doesn’t do you service, that’s on you.
You aren’t paying attention.
So say you. You don’t persuade.
Well, that depends. Is the public having to pay for a portion of that Gender Studies degree? This is ultimately one of the big issues in this debate. Many of us here could give two ■■■■■ if someone takes their own money and spends every last cent on liberal arts degrees. But when one argues for “free” college for everyone, then many of us see a lot of money being wasted on useless degrees.
Catch up with later. Going out to dinner. How do you guys post all day? I work for a living.
I work for the New Jersey Turnpike, and they have a very robust apprenticeship program. As long as you don’t foul it up, I’m pretty sure it’s all paid for. They’ll also pay for you to get your CDL.
I’m also pretty sure Trades at my job doesn’t pay as much as on the outside. La little more than the average employee. But it’s a guaranteed paycheck every week regardless of work. Very good benefits. Besides, the average employee is paid very well. You only need to have completed 8th grade.
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Most of what people do in college is largely a waste of time and money:
Roughly half of college graduates end up in jobs where their degrees aren’t needed, and that underemployment has lasting implications for workers’ earnings and career paths.
That is the key finding of a new study tracking the career paths of more than 10 million people who entered the job market over the past decade. It suggests that the number of graduates in jobs that don’t make use of their skills or credentials—52%—is greater than previously thought
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In Colombia, lawyers and civil engineers driving taxis. It’s coming.
We have got to stop listening to idiots.
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Mike Rowe may be the smartest, most honest man in the country.
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The problem is expressed in the OP and the evidence supports that:
There are only so many positions for gender consultants.
Engineering and related fields dominate the highest starting salaries with a bachelor’s degree. Of course, these fields require a high aptitude in math and science and tend to be dominated by white and Asian males.
Equity demands the end to this tyranny. If planes fall from the sky and bridges collapse, that is the price we must pay.
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What? The gender studies degree? There are huge problems with it.
I’m not sure how important that is. College is not about your first two jobs.
Of course loan debt establishes some minimum requirements.
How is the first job (or two) one gets out of college not important? From the link:
It suggests that the number of graduates in jobs that don’t make use of their skills or credentials—52%—is greater than previously thought, and underscores the lasting importance of that first job after graduation.
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I didn’t say they’re not important (they aren’t.) I said they are not what college is about.
In almost any field, college is wasted on the entry level jobs. It’s not necessary. Nobody starts at the top or even in the middle. Even engineers and doctors.
Everybody starts at the bottom.
The problem is you don’t have time to do both.
Eventually, as one moves up, the lack of a college degree becomes a ceiling.
College degrees are about moving the ceiling up so one has room to grow.
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