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WildRose · 2020-03-27T23:53:04.136Z

Yes and those protocols were established in 2015 when Governor Cuomo decided on the protocols rather than buying ventilators.

WildRose · 2020-03-27T23:55:58.726Z

Bayer and several other pharmaceutical companies have stepped up the insure that there’s no shortage of chloroquine & Hydrochloroquine.

WildRose · 2020-03-28T01:52:11.382Z

No he didn’t. Governor Cuomo on the other hand isn’t even Distributing the ventilators that he’s received from the federal government

NebraskaFootball · 2020-03-28T17:58:26.267Z

SottoVoce:

Total mortality doubling time has remained approximately 3 days dating back to 3/10. When that slows down we’re making progress. We’ll see. If things hold up we should be around 1,920 total deaths by the end of the day tomorrow. I hope beyond hope that we don’t get there.

We passed this number before noon unfortunately.

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Sunovagun · 2020-03-28T18:11:04.284Z

Politicians!!!
I have friends/relatives In South Carolina. About 500 cases. State officials project 2000+ cases in a week and 8000+ cases by early May. No stay at home order at state level. Large cities issuing their own orders. State says city and county lockdowns are illegal. Citizens may protest (not sure how) lack of shutdown. All surround states on shutdown. Hopefully projections are way overstated.

WildRose · 2020-03-29T03:58:05.433Z

I hate to say it but, since we’ve already blown up the economy let’s take the next step.

The president and all 50 state governors should hold an emergency meeting and at that meeting figure out exactly what it takes to shut off all non-essential travel.

That way we can isolate the outbreaks where they are within communities.

That means shut down all nonessential travel from Community to community, County to County ,state to state and internationally.

Do that for two weeks it’s not going to hurt the economy a whole lot more than what we done already.

That way we can get this over with and move on.

Sunovagun · 2020-03-29T04:37:36.579Z

WildRose:

The president and all 50 state governors should hold an emergency meeting and at that meeting figure out exactly what it takes to shut off all non-essential travel.

Communities with strict no travel orders are probably let’s say 80% effective ( my own wag based on number of out of state cars seen at our beaches in recent days. Popular National Parks have been inundated with visitors body to body in Zion and Glacier and Canyonlands which have just closed. Point is, if thousands of people nationwide violate the order, the contamination continues. Short of martial law, no way to prevent major leaks. Given that (and my hope for the drugs being effective) I think best we can expect is an ongoing problem at acceptable levels for some time.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:29:11.586Z

WildRose:

Do that for two weeks it’s not going to hurt the economy a whole lot more than what we done already.

That way we can get this over with and move on.

It’s not going to be over in 2 weeks no matter what is done now

WildRose · 2020-03-29T08:30:38.495Z

If we took such measures the pandemic in the United States and deed would be over, we still have an outbreak but not a pandemic.

If you want to stop a pandemic you quarantine and contain.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:33:40.332Z

WildRose:

If we took such measures the pandemic in the United States and deed would be over, we still have an outbreak but not a pandemic.

Not in 2 weeks it isn’t. New York isn’t going to peak before then. Neither will LA or New Orleans whose death totals are just starting. It’s already there. Travel restrictions is not going to magically make those cases go away.

WildRose · 2020-03-29T08:35:42.612Z

Two weeks is the approximate duration on average of the disease in an infectee.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:40:28.152Z

WildRose:

Two weeks is the approximate duration on average of the disease in an infectee.

Travel restrictions will not stop the spread within the communities where the virus already is. I don’t like it anymore than you do but these shelter in place orders will be in effect for at least another month.

WildRose · 2020-03-29T08:44:27.688Z

Why don’t you try reading what I’ve actually written?

High noon? Trump on Fox 2 hour town hall. Today at noon Politics

I hate to say it but, since we’ve already blown up the economy let’s take the next step. The president and all 50 state governors should hold an emergency meeting and at that meeting figure out exactly what it takes to shut off all non-essential travel. That way we can isolate the outbreaks where they are within communities. That means shut down all nonessential travel from Community to community, County to County ,state to state and internationally. Do that for two weeks it’s not going to h…

This is in addition to not instead of.

Weliterally allow new clusters to form on an almost daily basis as long as we don’t restrict travel that’s how it moves from one Community to the next.

If you can cut off the movement for 2 weeks that’s the average duration of the disease in patients, that then cuts off the spread of the disease.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:46:55.766Z

WildRose:

Why don’t you try reading what I’ve actually written?

This is in addition to not instead of.

Would literally allowed new clusters to form on an almost daily basis as long as we don’t restrict travel that’s how it moves from one Community to the next.

If you can cut off the movement for 2 weeks that’s the average duration of the disease in patients, that then cuts off the spread of the disease.

And none of that is getting us out of this predicament in 2 weeks time. 2 weeks from now we’ll be experiencing thousands of deaths a day from coronavirus, not a return to normal

WildRose · 2020-03-29T08:49:32.500Z

You really don’t even want to try to understand anything about epidemiology do you?

Cut off the spread of the disease and the pandemic.

During that two weeks yes you still have additional deaths.

Yes you would have a few additional deaths that, but not nearly as many because you have cut off the spread of the disease creating new clusters and new outbreaks.

Epidemics flow like water, cut off the flow and you stop the spread.

Pour a gallon of water on your floor and see where it flows.

Then pour a gallon of water into your bathtub with the drain closed of course, see where it goes.

Then you’ll have an understanding of why quarantine and containment can cut off an the spread of a pandemic.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:51:54.082Z

WildRose:

Yes you would have a few additional deaths

Not a “few additional deaths”. Thousands a day. 2 weeks from now thousands of Americans will be dying daily from Coronavirus no matter what is done now. Why are you trying to minimalize that?

WildRose · 2020-03-29T08:53:08.578Z

No, once you break that cycle and the spread, the death rate will immediately Begin to Fall.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:53:49.726Z

WildRose:

Then you’ll have an understanding of why quarantine and containment can cut off an the spread of a pandemic.

I’m not the one arguing against the necessity of the Shelter at home orders in place am I?

WildRose · 2020-03-29T08:54:31.616Z

No but you’re arguing against what is necessary to cut off the spread of the disease.

sikofit · 2020-03-29T08:55:24.520Z

WildRose:

No but you’re arguing against what is necessary to cut off the spread of the disease

No I’m not. I’m saying travel restrictions by themselves do nothing