Hey libs. Do you want to cure cancer or not?

[altair1013]

@tnt

There is still a different one I can’t find…I’ll keep looking.

This is based on a false premise.

“There should be a certain percentage of students at each school who are identified as gifted,

You cannot set quotas for gifted students. The idea is totally absurd.

Poor parents are probably not as smart as rich parents. Which is the primary reason they are poor. Smart parents, generally have smarter kids. Setting quotas won’t change that.

[tnt]

@toreyj01

Bingo.

I have Nephews that have gone through gifted programs and when they graduated HS they had so many tassels and badges and buttons I could barely see them. Such goofiness.

And a 4.0 GPA? That is now garbage, don’t you know.

This whole “have and have not” stuff is bad enough in HS without injecting all kinds of gifted crap and separation of classmates into the mix. Offer whatever courses you want, but don’t exclude kids from at least trying to pass the class.

To me, this is all part of the hyper-competitive parenting I see nowadays. I get that kids need to study and accomplish things but not being in a gifted program doesn’t mean your life isn’t going to amount to much. Hell, in HS I mostly took auto shop and English classes in my Senior year. I had no desire to compete for grades. I would do calculus for fun on the side but I never took anything higher than intro algebra.

After my stint in the Army I got serious about my education.

Gifted programs can be alright but you don’t need them, especially if they have been weaponized.

Good post.

[tnt]

@altair1013

This is based on a false premise.

“There should be a certain percentage of students at each school who are identified as gifted, because no matter how low-achieving your school is, there are going to be children in that school that need more academic challenge.” strong text

You cannot set quotas for gifted students. The idea is totally absurd.

Poor parents are probably not as smart as rich parents. Which is the primary reason they are poor. Smart parents, generally have smarter kids. Setting quotas won’t change that.

Woah…wait…what?

You think people are poor because they are less intelligent than wealthy people? That’s pretty ■■■■■■ up.

[tnt]

@altair1013

Smart parents, generally have smarter kids.

this is statistically false.

[toreyj01]

@Guvnah

@toreyj01

Offer whatever courses you want, but don’t exclude kids from at least trying to pass the class.

Those aren’t the only options.

Advanced kids can pass AP and IB and Honors and Gifted classes. Non-advanced kids can still pass the standard classes.

Nothing wrong with that.

I just don’t want AP classes to be the new way we divide classes of people. If a student wants to take an AP class they should be able to do so, their parents pay taxes too.

[CanadianJudo]

@altair1013

@NuffSaid

Gasoline engine will never be replaced as long as big oil controls everything.

A conspiracy that doesn’t pass the smell test. Not every liberal can be bought by big oil.
Big oil doesn’t tell Tesla what to do. They don’t control Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Bloomberg, or anyone at apple. Jeff Bezos has more money than anyone in big oil. There are hundreds of billions of liberal dollars that are not controlled by big oil.

I’m just not really into conspiracy theories.

You mean tesla that are banned from being sold on dozen of states

[altair1013]

@tnt

Woah…wait…what?

You think people are poor because they are less intelligent than wealthy people? That’s pretty ■■■■■■ up.

Call it ■■■■■■ up of you choose. I don’t care. But the IQ of people in rich areas is higher than those in poor areas. Sorry but smart people earn more money than people who are not as smart. They are paid more, because of their fer-tile brains. This should not be a tough concept to grasp.

This is as common sense as any concept can be.

[CanadianJudo]

Intelligence isnt genetic.

[Guvnah]

@tnt

Here are a few:

Neither mentions tutors.

I have no disagreements with the fact (yes fact) that gifted students are more likely to come from higher-income families.

I highlighted the claim about tutors in my reply. That’s what I took issue with.

Successful parents are more likely to value academic success for their kids as a means for them to obtain success as well. and they’re more likely to instill that value in their kids.

[CanadianJudo]

@Guvnah

@tnt

Here are a few:

Neither mentions tutors.

I have no disagreements with the fact (yes fact) that gifted students are more likely to come from higher-income families.

I highlighted the claim about tutors in my reply. That’s what I took issue with.

Successful parents are more likely to value academic success for their kids as a means for them to obtain success as well. and they’re more likely to instill that value in their kids.

aka wealthy people can better afford education for their children.
they don’t have to settle for a poor performing public school.

[altair1013]

@CanadianJudo

Intelligence isnt genetic.

Believe what you choose. Smart people are richer than poor people. Smart people figure out a way to succeed. As did Justice Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson. Smart people figure it out.

[komobu]

@CanadianJudo

aka wealthy people can better afford education for their children.
they don’t have to settle for a poor performing public school.

Why should society in general have to settle for poor performing public schools?

Because the dems want the teacher’s union votes.

[Guvnah]

@toreyj01

I just don’t want AP classes to be the new way we divide classes of people. If a student wants to take an AP class they should be able to do so, their parents pay taxes too.

OK, but that’s the point of the thread. A school district is going to phase out a gifted track that such kids benefit from today.

The statistical fact that lower income kids are less represented in that program is not a reason to eliminate such a program.

[altair1013]

@CanadianJudo

aka wealthy people can better afford education for their children.
they don’t have to settle for a poor performing public school.

Smart people are richer than poor people. Smart people figure out a way to succeed. As did Justice Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson. Smart people figure it out.

[CanadianJudo]

@altair1013

@CanadianJudo

Intelligence isnt genetic.

Believe what you choose. Smart people are richer than poor people. Smart people figure out a way to succeed. As did Justice Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson. Smart people figure it out.

because rich people have better access to education.

[altair1013]

@CanadianJudo

because rich people have better access to education.

And rich people are smarter than average. How do you explain these two?

As did Justice Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson. Smart people figure it out.

[CanadianJudo]

@Guvnah

@toreyj01

I just don’t want AP classes to be the new way we divide classes of people. If a student wants to take an AP class they should be able to do so, their parents pay taxes too.

OK, but that’s the point of the thread. A school district is going to phase out a gifted track that such kids benefit from today.

The statistical fact that lower income kids are less represented in that program is not a reason to eliminate such a program.

Good thing that isn’t the reason according to the school.

[CanadianJudo]

@altair1013

@CanadianJudo

because rich people have better access to education.

How do you explain these two?

As did Justice Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson. Smart people figure it out.

You don’t need to be smart to become wealthy.
the person who clean the toilet at my job makes 54$ an hour.

You don’t need to be wealthy to become smart.
there are people working dead end jobs with master degrees.

[tnt]

@altair1013

Call it ■■■■■■ up of you choose. I don’t care. But the IQ of people in rich areas is higher than those in poor areas. Sorry but smart people earn more money than people who are not as smart. They are paid more, because of their fer-tile brains. This should not be a tough concept to grasp.

This is as common sense as any concept can be.

that is completely not true.

Why The Secret To Getting Rich Isn't Being Smart

[tnt]

@Guvnah

Neither mentions tutors.

I have no disagreements with the fact (yes fact) that gifted students are more likely to come from higher-income families.

I highlighted the claim about tutors in my reply. That’s what I took issue with.

Successful parents are more likely to value academic success for their kids as a means for them to obtain success as well. and they’re more likely to instill that value in their kids.

I amended my smart ass tutor remark.