Hey Fox News. The Democrat Leadership does not want to end capitalism in the U.S

fallenturtle · 2020-10-09T21:22:59.741Z

johnwk2:

I didn’t think you changed your mind. You are fine with government taking private property and redistributing said property without just compensation as our constitution commands.

I never said I was okay with it without just compensation. Try paying attention to what I actually have written.

johnwk2:

Nor do you embrace the constitutional protection forbidding any direct tax to be laid upon the citizens of the United States, unless it is an equal per capita tax, which our Constitution also commands.

Then why hasn’t the Supreme Court struck down the income tax?

johnwk2:

As to the rest of your post, I never expressed my views concerning a dying person. I did express my views concerning an immoral practice by which to help the needy.

You said its morally wrong to covet your neighbor’s property. Are you saying there’s an exception now for people who are sick?

johnwk2 · 2020-10-09T21:33:37.283Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

I didn’t think you changed your mind. You are fine with government taking private property and redistributing said property without just compensation as our constitution commands.

I never said I was okay with it without just compensation. Try paying attention to what I actually have written.

Well, that is the impression I got from your own words. So, tell me, in respect to the constitutional command requiring just compensation, how would you fulfil the requirement when you take the property a working person earns by the sweat of their labor, which is then redistributed to another individual for their personal economic needs?

JWK

"From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life." ___ fallenturtle

fallenturtle · 2020-10-09T21:42:20.522Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

I didn’t think you changed your mind. You are fine with government taking private property and redistributing said property without just compensation as our constitution commands.

I never said I was okay with it without just compensation. Try paying attention to what I actually have written.

Well, that is the impression I got from your own words. So, tell me, in respect to the constitutional command requiring just compensation, how would you fulfil the requirement when you take the property a working person earns by the sweat of their labor, which is then redistributed to another individual for their personal economic needs?

JWK

"From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life." ___ fallenturtle

You are compensated by:

Being able to live and thrive in this wonderful country
Getting the same help if you fall on hard times
In regards to universal healthcare, a healthier populace that is less likely to spread disease and get you sick
Less homeless people on the streets where you live
Less guilt that you should be doing more to help those less fortunate than you

johnwk2 · 2020-10-09T21:52:39.252Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

I didn’t think you changed your mind. You are fine with government taking private property and redistributing said property without just compensation as our constitution commands.

I never said I was okay with it without just compensation. Try paying attention to what I actually have written.

Well, that is the impression I got from your own words. So, tell me, in respect to the constitutional command requiring just compensation, how would you fulfil the requirement when you take the property a working person earns by the sweat of their labor, which is then redistributed to another individual for their personal economic needs?

JWK

“From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle

You are compensated by:

Being able to live and thrive in this wonderful country

Getting the same help if you fall on hard times

In regards to universal healthcare, a healthier populace that is less likely to spread disease and get you sick

Less homeless people on the streets where you live

Less guilt that you should be doing more to help those less fortunate than you

My question was in respect to the constitutional command requiring “just compensation”.
Not your personal whims and fancies alleging “just compensation”.

just compensation

n. 1) in general a fair and reasonable amount of money to be paid for work performed or to make one “whole” after loss due to damages. 2) the full value to be paid for property taken by the government for public purposes guaranteed by Fifth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution, which states: “…nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.” If the amount offered by the governmental agency taking the property is not considered sufficient, the property owner may demand a trial to determine just compensation. (See: quantum meruit, make one whole, condemnation, eminent domain, inverse condemnation)

JWK

“The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property.” ___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

fallenturtle · 2020-10-09T22:09:38.146Z

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

johnwk2 · 2020-10-09T22:20:20.603Z

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

fallenturtle · 2020-10-09T22:30:51.311Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t you sued the gov?

johnwk2 · 2020-10-09T23:21:33.520Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t sued the gov?

JWK

The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership is known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

fallenturtle · 2020-10-09T23:56:12.829Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t sued the gov?

JWK

The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership is known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

So you’re all talk and no action on the issue?

johnwk2 · 2020-10-10T00:35:12.343Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t sued the gov?

JWK

The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership is known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

So you’re all talk and no action on the issue?

Your latest snarky and insulting comment is noted.

JWK

The only difference between a thief and a socialist and democrat voters is, socialists and democrat voters use government force to steal their neighbor’s property for their personal economic needs. A thief has the you-know-what-ski to do his/her own stealing.

fallenturtle · 2020-10-10T01:02:03.718Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t sued the gov?

JWK

The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership is known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

So you’re all talk and no action on the issue?

Your latest snarky and insulting comment is noted.

JWK

The only difference between a thief and a socialist and democrat voters is, socialists and democrat voters use government force to steal their neighbor’s property for their personal economic needs. A thief has the you-know-what-ski to do his/her own stealing.

I’m not trying to be snarky. I just don’t understand why you don’t try to do anything about what bothers you.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-24T20:03:44.243Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t sued the gov?

JWK

The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership is known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

So you’re all talk and no action on the issue?

Your latest snarky and insulting comment is noted.

JWK

The only difference between a thief and a socialist and democrat voters is, socialists and democrat voters use government force to steal their neighbor’s property for their personal economic needs. A thief has the you-know-what-ski to do his/her own stealing.

I’m not trying to be snarky. I just don’t understand why you don’t try to do anything about what bothers you.

Of course you post was snarky.

JWK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-24T20:06:40.778Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I see… that’s not an area I’m an knowledgeable on. I’m not a lawyer. Why haven’t you sued the government over this?

Your snarky remark is noted.

JWK

When it comes to healthcare Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens.

That wasn’t snark… I was being earnest. You seem really upset about this, so why haven’t sued the gov?

JWK

The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership is known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

So you’re all talk and no action on the issue?

Your latest snarky and insulting comment is noted.

JWK

The only difference between a thief and a socialist and democrat voters is, socialists and democrat voters use government force to steal their neighbor’s property for their personal economic needs. A thief has the you-know-what-ski to do his/her own stealing.

I’m not trying to be snarky. I just don’t understand why you don’t try to do anything about what bothers you.

Of course you post was snarky.

JWK

Sued the government yet?

johnwk2 · 2021-03-27T16:04:14.683Z

fallenturtle:

Sued the government yet?

Well now, fallenturtle, is that your way to admit your personal feelings regarding the meaning of “just compensation”, as these words appear in our Constitution, are just that ___ your personal feelings of socialist justice, fairness and reasonableness, and not the legal meaning of “just compensation” when the force of government is used to take the property of your neighbor?

JWK

“The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice.” – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

FloridaYankee · 2021-03-27T17:25:19.797Z

johnwk2:

Nor do you embrace the constitutional protection forbidding any direct tax to be laid upon the citizens of the United States, unless it is an equal per capita tax, which our Constitution also commands.

Why do you pretend the sixteenth amendment doesn’t exist?

johnwk2 · 2021-03-27T17:35:42.875Z

FloridaYankee:

johnwk2:

Nor do you embrace the constitutional protection forbidding any direct tax to be laid upon the citizens of the United States, unless it is an equal per capita tax, which our Constitution also commands.

Why do you pretend the sixteenth amendment doesn’t exist?

Where is your link confirming your above assertion, which happens to be totally false and an attack on my character?

JWK

“No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” United States Constitution, Article 1, § 9, cl. 4

FloridaYankee · 2021-03-27T17:45:48.577Z

johnwk2:

FloridaYankee:

johnwk2:

Nor do you embrace the constitutional protection forbidding any direct tax to be laid upon the citizens of the United States, unless it is an equal per capita tax, which our Constitution also commands.

Why do you pretend the sixteenth amendment doesn’t exist?

Where is your link confirming your above assertion, which happens to be totally false and an attack on my character?

JWK

“No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” United States Constitution, Article 1, § 9, cl. 4

You often complain about taxes not being apportioned to the states on a per capita basis when the sixteenth very clearly did away with that. You base entire threads on it.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-27T18:04:46.734Z

FloridaYankee:

johnwk2:

FloridaYankee:

johnwk2:

Nor do you embrace the constitutional protection forbidding any direct tax to be laid upon the citizens of the United States, unless it is an equal per capita tax, which our Constitution also commands.

Why do you pretend the sixteenth amendment doesn’t exist?

Where is your link confirming your above assertion, which happens to be totally false and an attack on my character?

JWK

“No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” United States Constitution, Article 1, § 9, cl. 4

You often complain about taxes not being apportioned to the states on a per capita basis when the sixteenth very clearly did away with that. You base entire threads on it.

For the second time, where is your link confirming your assertion that I “pretend the sixteenth amendment doesn’t exist?”

JWK

If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection [apportionment] could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS’ LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895) JUSTICE FULLER

fallenturtle · 2021-03-27T19:01:33.641Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

Sued the government yet?

Well now, fallenturtle, is that your way to admit your personal feelings regarding the meaning of “just compensation”, as these words appear in our Constitution, are just that ___ your personal feelings of socialist justice, fairness and reasonableness, and not the legal meaning of “just compensation” when the force of government is used to take the property of your neighbor?

I have no idea how you got from what I posted to what you posted. I’m certainly not admitting or denying anything.

My question is because you feel the supreme court erroneously ruled on the cases that otherwise would have stopped the income tax and welfare programs.

Are you satisfied with just whining about it online or are you actually going to do something about it? Sue the government! Take to court all of these quotes you are constantly posting over and over again and prove your case!

Whining about it online and erroneously accusing people of being communists ain’t gonna do ■■■■ for your cause.

altair1013 · 2021-03-27T19:26:10.721Z

fallenturtle:

So you’re all talk and no action on the issue?