Healthcare statistics, population, & immigration

Some here have been putting out statistics comparing healthcare in the US to other countries. Now I’m not here to proclaim that the US system is the best in the world, but rather simply to ask how fair are healthcare statistics between countries that have drastically different population sizes and drastically different immigration/migration policies/problems? The US is the third most populated country in the world and has loose and not the most strictly enforced immigration laws. Many countries often brought up have tiny populations and very strict immigration laws. So when one takes different variables into account doesn’t that skew certain statistics? In other words is it truly “apples & apples” or is it “apples & oranges”?

what does immigration have to do with healthcare.

Immigrants get sick.

do natural born people not get sick?

Many of these countries don’t allow a person who is sick to attain citizenship.

Yes, they do. You didn’t know that?

No this is an important point. Most countries that have universal healthcare have strict immigration laws.

If you are going to have single payer here everyone needs to be paying into it, therefore immigration must be better regulated.

Don’t worry world…Californians have got this all under control…amirite? :sunglasses:


Unvaccinated illegals living on the streets don’t affect stats at all. :roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:


Speaking from a UK perspective I am not aware of any restrictions on those that qualify for citizenship on the grounds of ill heath.

As you look at population size and per capita costs of developed nations, there’s a trend that the costs go lower. That is until you get to the US. We’re an outlier. Population size is irrelevant.

The onus is on you to show that a country with more immigration would result in higher per capita costs.

For the purpose of this exercised, we need to establish a basic fact first.

Whether someone pays into a system has no effect on their cost to that system.

So, why exactly would a country with more immigration have higher per capita costs?

Other countries that have universal healthcare have a higher percentage of immigrants than the US, and many are not too far behind us.


If there is a large group of people using services, there will be costs to administer those services?

If they are not paying for the services that cost will be shifted to the people paying?

If im wrong I’ll listen to the explanation, and I support single payer.

Those people who use services are already baked into the per capita cost figure regardless of whether they pay. The fact is we pay significantly more than ANY other developed nation. Shifting to single payer won’t cause that per capita figure to go up. It will result in its decrease.

The statistics I’m talking about are not just about costs (although you can’t say that our current immigration situation doesn’t impact costs), I’m also asking about outcomes.

The fact is that population size and immigration are two significant variables that absolutely can impact stats. Are you implying that when comparing two and one takes in all whether healthy or not and the other only takes in healthy that would not impact healthcare statistics?

You are spouting opinions with no evidence.

It’s called slavery by taxation when you force American’s to pay for Healthcare for everyone in the world who crosses our border!

Then it is a good thing Central American countries have better or comparable vaccination rates compared to us.