Have over 30,000 Americans died from complications related to COVID vaccinations?

[JayJay]

@ohknow35

@JayJay

It’s not muddying the waters.

It’s explaining how VAERS works with an EUA med using a hyperbolic example.

The point is side effects/deaths will be over-reported for EUAs. They’ll be reported even when there is no linkage (as was pointed out, HCPs are required to do so) and anyone can report them.

I’m sorry. Some of have just gone completely around the bend. If there are people actively working to make sure the pandemic goes on and on, it’s people who keep posting crap like this who obviously don’t have the slightest understanding what they are talking about.

And those that enable them to do so.

Okay.

So you tell us about the investigations into these instances and what the results of those investigations found.

I’m waiting.

The investigations don’t happen overnight.

But you knew that.

Let me know when you want to discuss this without a tinge of conspiracy hanging over it.

[ohknow35]

@Kelby

HIs recommendation of ANY treatment lacked credibility because he’s Donald Trump, the man who makes it up as he goes.

"“It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

Whatever!

[Ben_Natuf]

she did, denial won’t change that, even the fda had to extend the trial period by a month for no scientific reason other than to boost confidence due to democrats undermining it.

[JayJay]

And even were we to assume these 30,000 deaths are linked, thats 0.02% of all vaccinations given.

Death rate from COVID is still around 0.3-0.5%…10-30x greater.

Cases are down. Hospitalizations are down. Deaths are down.

But let’s ■■■■ on the thing that has made that happen.

[ohknow35]

@JayJay

The investigations don’t happen overnight.

But you knew that.

Let me know when you want to discuss this without a tinge of conspiracy hanging over it.

So you admit you don’t know the results of any investigation, whether these investigations even took place, or any resulting conclusions, yet you have deemed it alla conspiracy theory based on the fact that people have questions that haven’t been answered?

Typical.

baaaaaaa

[JayJay]

@ohknow35

@JayJay

The investigations don’t happen overnight.

But you knew that.

Let me know when you want to discuss this without a tinge of conspiracy hanging over it.

So you admit you don’t know the results of any investigation, whether these investigations even took place, or any resulting conclusions, yet you have deemed it alla conspiracy theory based on the fact that people have questions that haven’t been answered?

Typical.

baaaaaaa

It is deliberate fear mongering without proper context being given to why VAERS numbers are what they are.

[FreeAndClear]

@Ben_Natuf

she did, denial won’t change that, even the fda had to extend the trial period by a month for no scientific reason other than to boost confidence due to democrats undermining it.

It has nothing to do with denial. Calling for honest discussion into the op subject while simultaneously deriding a politician for attacking another politician and assuming effect is silly at best.

Nobody is denying she said it. There is some harrissplaining going on for sure but to argue that she actually had any effect on vaccine administration is not provable reality. Just political football

[Ben_Natuf]

everything the democrats did pre election was deliberate fear mongering. the politics of fear sells well

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

she did, denial won’t change that, even the fda had to extend the trial period by a month for no scientific reason other than to boost confidence due to democrats undermining it.

Who’s trying to undermine confidence in the vaccine now?

When it’s definitely working and needs to be ramped UP because of Delta?

[ohknow35]

@JayJay

It is deliberate fear mongering without proper context being given to why VAERS numbers are what they are.

“You’re attacking science”

baaaaaaaaa

[toreyj01]

@ohknow35

@toreyj01

You obviously don’t understand how VAERS works under an EUA. I just explained it. Take with it what you will, those are facts. ANYONE can submit to VAERS, and HCPs are required to submit all deaths and adverse events even when they KNOW the med/vaccine was not related.

Those are facts, not fantasy. If you prefer the latter, I cannot help you.

You said above that these reports have to be investigated. I asked you, with your intimate knowledge of the system intimate these reports have all been investigated and what the results were??

You have not answered these questions.

A4e you going to answer these questions, or just spout out rhetoric about people not knowing how the system works, while claiming intimatefnti ate knowledge of how the system works??

I’m waiting.

And no “hit by a bus” fantasies will fly here.

All adverse events and mortalities reported will be investigated and reported to the public. But I am unaware of their timeframe.

A nice article on VAERS is here, it explains quite a bit and better than I seem to be doing…

PolitiFact - Federal VAERS database is a critical tool for researchers, but a...

[JayJay]

You’re explaining it fine.

But it’s pearls before swine.

[ohknow35]

@JayJay

And even were we to assume these 30,000 deaths are linked, thats 0.02% of all vaccinations given.

Death rate from COVID is still around 0.3-0.5%…10-30x greater.

Cases are down. Hospitalizations are down. Deaths are down.

But let’s ■■■■ on the thing that has made that happen.

(Emphasis mine)

Gotta break a few eggs…

[Ben_Natuf]

whether she did or not i don’t care about. how many people had to die because of the deliberate efforts of democrats to undermine any vaccine that could have been released 4-6 weeks earlier? the only reason the fda extended the period was to boost confidence. she and other democrats playing the politics of fear like a fiddle are directly responsible for that

[ohknow35]

@toreyj01

All adverse events and mortalities reported will be investigated and reported to the public. But I am unaware of their timeframe.

So you got nothing. That’s what I thought.

But there you were out singing the praises of “how the system really works” and dismissing the reports, all the while telling others they don’t understand how the system works.

Typical.

Like I said above. You’ll get no honest discussion here.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

Yeah this from the side that keeps bringing up how Harris was undermining vaccine efforts.

Serious discussion pfft

It’s the hypocrisy.

[Ben_Natuf]

who is? we are americans; give us the information available and we will make our own choices. this means giving both pro and adverse information, not pulling for one side. for instance, with the given information available, if i were under 30, i would not vaccinate unless i had some other underlying health reason. over 30, i would (and did). the net result on immunity is the same whether you get covid or vaccinate.

[FreeAndClear]

@Ben_Natuf

whether she did or not i don’t care about. how many people had to die because of the deliberate efforts of democrats to undermine any vaccine that could have been released 4-6 weeks earlier? the only reason the fda extended the period was to boost confidence. she and other democrats playing the politics of fear like a fiddle are directly responsible for that

The number of people who had to die is clearly irrelevant. We can see that via the op and the subsequent responses to it.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

Yeah this from the side that keeps bringing up how Harris was undermining vaccine efforts.

Serious discussion pfft

It’s the hypocrisy.

It is. She said it. The man with the highest rated cable news program is saying it what daily?

[toreyj01]

@ohknow35

@toreyj01

All adverse events and mortalities reported will be investigated and reported to the public. But I am unaware of their timeframe.

So you got nothing. That’s what I thought.

But there you were out singing the praises of “how the system really works” and dismissing the reports, all the while telling others they don’t understand how the system works.

Typical.

Like I said above. You’ll get no honest discussion here.

From VAERS there has been a few confirmed problems with vaccines. One is a clotting disorder seen mostly in pre-menopausal females. The risk of having a venous clot in the brain is roughly 1 in 7 million doses, with a few deaths confirmed. If post-menopausal it is even rarer. And this is only for the J&J vaccine.

They are investigating myocarditis in young men as well, although that has not been confirmed. It is also considered very rare, with no deaths associated with it. And the prior datasets in the same age group show similar numbers pre-vaccine, so it may not be causative at all.

Other than that, we are mostly looking at allergic reactions to the vaccine, with some rare severe reactions.

All of that is taken from VAERS, but we don’t publish every unconfirmed death or reaction which may have nothing to do with the vaccine. I suppose somewhere at sometime they will release the percentage of posts which prove to lack merit, I just don’t know where or when they do it.