Has the US thrown the Kurds under the bus?

Turkey recently started an offensive against Kurds in Iraq and Syria.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2022/11/23/Nearly-500-Kurdish-targets-in-Iraq-Syria-were-hit-Turkish-defense-minister-says-

The US has tacitly supported the offensive:

“Turkey does continue to suffer a legitimate terrorist threat, particularly to their south. They certainly have every right to defend themselves and their citizens,” National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters.
Zerohedge

The offensive comes only two weeks after a terrorist bomb explosion in Istanbul. Turkey has arrested more than a dozen Kurds in that case.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-arrests-17-over-istanbul-bombing/ar-AA14gRnD

Turkey has also made extradition of Kurds with alleged terrorist links a condition for NATO membership for Sweden and Finland.

Has the US given a green light to the Turkish offensives against the Kurds in Syria and Iraq?

What are the implications for other US allies?

There are at least two ethnic groups in Nigeria and several in the Ivory Coast. Should each get their own state?
There are several ethnic groups in Mexico, the UK and former Yugoslavia. Should each get their own state?
There are several ethnic groups in the USA. Should each get their own state?

The US owes a couple favors to the Iraqi Kurds but we have no moral obligation to support separatism.

silly articles. there is no “the kurds”. there are kurds we worked with and there is the PKK. The PKK are and have always been terrorists.

I agree that the US should not be intervening in ethnic disputes within other nations. Sadly for the Kurds, the US is powerless to do much to help even if it wanted to at this point.

It looks like the Kurds will soon join the Hmong. They were supported by the US during the Vietnam War. A small number are still fighting decades later.

If they are on our side, they are “freedom fighters”. If they are against us, they are “terrorists”.

At this point the US is much more interested in keeping Turkey as an ally and getting oil out of the Saudis than in helping the Kurds.

Well maybe if they sought something besides a ethnically-cleansed independent state.

If they made their grievance “We want equal treatment. The governments of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria are oppressing us in apartheid-like fashion,” the situation might be different.

Kurdish groups helped the US invasions and occupations of Iraq and Syria. They were valuable allies. Now they are just in the way.

Iraq and Syria are no longer the crisis-de-jure. The big issues are the proxy war against Russia and keeping the supremacy of the dollar.

The US wants to avoid a war with Turkey. It is also trying to figure out how to twist the arms of the Saudis to keep the petrodollar and ship more oil.

I can solve that one.
We wouldn’t have to do that one if we took the same approach to American oil executives as we already take toware Saudi oil executives.

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at least you got that right.

why do you always side with america’s enemies? in every conflict, consistantly you show your hatred for your country.

Not our circus. Not our monkeys.

We are mostly out of the mid-east, and we should get totally out.

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Sounds like a case for a country to me.

Who drew the lines the way to stand today?

Probably the old colonial masters.

In general (in Africa and the Middle East) nearly every place that is now a country contains 1-6 ethnic groups who endlessly (or repeatedly) fought each other over territory. It would be pretty stupid for the colonial masters to declare upon leaving
“We are going to permanently and forever decide the ONE morally-correct outcome to these centuries-old conflicts
and
create each area into a ethnically-cleansed single-race nation state.”

EG There are 46 ethnic groups and 3 major religious groups in Nigeria. Is Number 10 Downing street really going to draw the lines correctly?

The victors of WW1 drew lines in the 1920 Treaty of Sevres.

A small autonomous Kurdistan was supposed to be created, but the Turks conquered it in the early 1920s to establish the current borders.

After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Allies contrived to split Kurdistan (as detailed in the ultimately unratified Treaty of Sèvres) among several countries, including Kurdistan, Armenia and others. However, the reconquest of these areas by the forces of Kemal Atatürk (and other pressing issues) caused the Allies to accept the renegotiated Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and the borders of the modern Republic of Turkey, leaving the Kurds without a self-ruled region.[47] Other Kurdish areas were assigned to the new British and French mandated states of Iraq and Syria.
Kurdistan - Wikipedia

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Mjght want to do a little research, but close.

What reason is there to keep them the way they are?

I am not advocated keeping them them nor changing them.
If there are 46 ethnic groups somewhere,there would be at least 47 different map proposals. Why should some white guy who has never been there decide which map is correct?

What’s wrong with 47 proposals?

He shouldn’t. At least not forever.

Who gets to decide who is the enemy of the US? The Kurds were our allies, but now we are fine with Turkey attacking them. Biden declared Saudi Arabia a pariah, but he was fine to beg them for more oil.

Back in 2016, the Pentagon and the CIA were supporting opposing factions in the Syrian Civil War.

A few years earlier, the US declared that “Assad must go” and sent arms to Islamic groups in the name of removing him from office. The groups ended up forming ISIS, which led terror attacks on Europe and the US.

Are we creating similar situations now?

not you

the PKK have never been our allies. They are terrorists, and have always been terrorists.

The current US administration will dispose of our ethics just to curry favor with Turkey . Why? The Zelensky fans want the approval of Turkey for Sweden and Finland to join NATO as a show of force against Zelensky’s enemies.

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