Gunman Opens Fire in Oklahoma City Restaurant 3 Injured, 1 Dead

WildRose · 2018-05-25T21:21:00.478Z

BlueTex:

WuWei:

Because the cops didn’t resolve it.

I’m not sure what you’re saying.

It’s a really simple question… Why was a 28 year old mentally ill man a CLEET certified armed security guard AND obviously had every legal right to possess a firearm… Should he have had access to firearms?

“It doesn’t look like he knew anybody at the restaurant,” Mathews said, adding that Tilghman had no known history of mental illness and appears to have acted alone. The motive remains unknown.

CNN – 25 May 18

Armed bystanders kill shooter at Oklahoma City restaurant | CNN

Armed bystanders gunned down a shooter Thursday at an Oklahoma City restaurant, killing him, police said.

Sometimes you don’t have to look very hard to find the answer. You do however have to look.

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T21:21:07.337Z

Steel-W0LF:

You are both eating around the same bush.

He could be looney toons, but as Sneaky is pointing out. If a court hasn’t ruled on his condition then there’s nothing anyone can do. That IS the problem.

Until we stop thinking that all of the mentally ill are functional if they take a magic pill, this problem will continue. It’s the same with the juveniles. Until we realize that there are bad people, and brain defective people, and that not everyone is a prescription away from being fully functional this will keep happening.

I’m going through the same situation with my brother in law. He’s paranoid schizophrenic but refuses help.
And since his condition is rather minor no one will commit him or do anything.

So he continues to live in his parents house that has been empty for 2 years with the power off, peeing in bottles, and refusing to look for work because “society owes him!”, and refusing to seek treatment.

And yet he still had access to firearms… hell, even a CLEET certification as an armed security guard… If this shooting last night had ended with responding officers killing him, this story wouldn’t have been posted… The REAL issue is how easy it is for the mentally ill to get access to firearms but the “narrative” being promoted is about the two citizens killing him… By the way, I fully support them killing him and think they likely prevented more injuries/deaths… I have no problem with them at all… What I object to is the continued easy access of the mentally ill to firearms…

WuWei · 2018-05-25T21:22:00.911Z

Dude. Dude. Due Process.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-25T21:29:04.474Z

BlueTex:

Steel-W0LF:

You are both eating around the same bush.

He could be looney toons, but as Sneaky is pointing out. If a court hasn’t ruled on his condition then there’s nothing anyone can do. That IS the problem.

Until we stop thinking that all of the mentally ill are functional if they take a magic pill, this problem will continue. It’s the same with the juveniles. Until we realize that there are bad people, and brain defective people, and that not everyone is a prescription away from being fully functional this will keep happening.

I’m going through the same situation with my brother in law. He’s paranoid schizophrenic but refuses help.
And since his condition is rather minor no one will commit him or do anything.

So he continues to live in his parents house that has been empty for 2 years with the power off, peeing in bottles, and refusing to look for work because “society owes him!”, and refusing to seek treatment.

And yet he still had access to firearms… hell, even a CLEET certification as an armed security guard… If this shooting last night had ended with responding officers killing him, this story wouldn’t have been posted… The REAL issue is how easy it is for the mentally ill to get access to firearms but the “narrative” being promoted is about the two citizens killing him… By the way, I fully support them killing him and think they likely prevented more injuries/deaths… I have no problem with them at all… What I object to is the continued easy access of the mentally ill to firearms…

Access to firearms trumps everything. Some dude could be minutes away from being declared unfit, buy a gun and kill a two thousand 2 yos and the pro-2nd guys will still argue that it was legal. They just don’t want to give an inch. Well, unless it was their own 2yo.

It’s just the way it is. And why there is no fix. And why mass shootings and 26 firearm homicides will continue daily.

WildRose · 2018-05-25T21:30:20.716Z

One more vote from the “Bill of Rights sucks” crowd.

Let’s just burn the whole damned thing, how bout it?

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T21:33:06.775Z

WildRose:

One more vote from the “Bill of Rights sucks” crowd.

Let’s just burn the whole damned thing, how bout it?

Bad day? Didn’t have much time to relish in this story before another school shooting trumped the news… Sorry…

WildRose · 2018-05-25T21:34:07.849Z

I’m having a fine day. So shall we burn the whole thing or just the parts you don’t like?

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T21:40:59.971Z

WildRose:

I’m having a fine day. So shall we burn the whole thing or just the parts you don’t like?

Must not have school age kids then…

WildRose · 2018-05-25T21:45:47.449Z

I train kids and adults how to deal with such events.

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T21:57:24.110Z

WildRose:

I train kids and adults how to deal with such events.

How is a middle school student supposed to “deal with such events”?

WildRose · 2018-05-25T21:58:33.079Z

Depends on the exact circumstances. Bring your kids and attend a class.

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T22:02:17.614Z

WildRose:

Depends on the exact circumstances. Bring your kids and attend a class.

Come on, give us a little hint… Outside of the active shooter training that all kids in the US now undergo (I know it makes me proud when a kindergartner can explain how to barricade in place… ) what extra training do you provide?

WildRose · 2018-05-25T22:07:56.167Z

If you’ve read my posts on the subject in the past you’ve already been given a pretty good preview.

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T22:10:07.705Z

WildRose:

If you’ve read my posts on the subject in the past you’ve already been given a pretty good preview.

Why are you holding out on us? Come on, educate us on what the kindergartners at Sandy Hook should have done better…

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-25T22:11:21.442Z

BlueTex:

How is a middle school student supposed to “deal with such events”?

and think they’re supposed to always keep a hole in their clay art project so they can see everyone around them.

WildRose · 2018-05-25T22:11:34.054Z

They shouldn’t have been cowering in the open hoping not to get shot.

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T22:14:01.810Z

WildRose:

They shouldn’t have been cowering in the open hoping not to get shot.

Do you fault the kindergartners personally? When should we start this training? Pre-K? I know, let’s make it part of their well checks… They will have to demonstrate active shooter proficiency or they fail… LOL… You make a FINE spokesman for the NRA…

WildRose · 2018-05-25T22:15:05.126Z

I fault those responsible for putting their school emergency plans together.

WuWei · 2018-05-25T22:48:32.076Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Some dude could be minutes away from being declared unfit

If he’s minutes away he hasn’t been adjudicated has he?

CaughtInTheMiddle:

They just don’t want to give an inch.

You must be out of your mind. We’ve given miles.

BlueTex · 2018-05-25T22:58:05.088Z

WuWei:

You must be out of your mind. We’ve given miles.

I predict you will be giving more in the next decade… More and more people are seeing through the false arguments, diversions, distractions from the gun crowd… These times are changin…