Gun Banning Promise

[Borgia_dude]

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Paul_Thomson

@Borgia_dude

Who said anything about why? Nobody is discussing why.

If you are claiming a causative link between suicides numbers and gun numbers, you are claiming the suicide numbers are caused by the gun numbers. People do not suicide because there are too many guns for them to handle continuing to live.

If you are not discussing why people suicide, you are not making any causative link between suicide and guns.

I’m not making the claim that guns cause suicides. I’ve made that plain. I am saying (again) guns facilitate suicide.

So does tall buildings and bridges, ropes, razor blades and prescription drugs. Why focus on guns?

Falls from buildings and bridges account for about 2% of suicides. Hanging, around 24%. Cutting about 2%.

Guns are 50%.

Hope that helps.

[Samm]

@westaussie

But you didn’t; that is the point.

Damn but you are stubborn. Many links were posted by various people showing that a shortage of guns does not lead to fewer suicides and still you hang on to that totally discredited notion.

[Samm]

Still not Reagan’s law. He did not ask for it, he did not sponsor it. He simply signed it because a veto would have been overridden.

[Samm]

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Paul_Thomson

@Borgia_dude

Who said anything about why? Nobody is discussing why.

If you are claiming a causative link between suicides numbers and gun numbers, you are claiming the suicide numbers are caused by the gun numbers. People do not suicide because there are too many guns for them to handle continuing to live.

If you are not discussing why people suicide, you are not making any causative link between suicide and guns.

I’m not making the claim that guns cause suicides. I’ve made that plain. I am saying (again) guns facilitate suicide.

So does tall buildings and bridges, ropes, razor blades and prescription drugs. Why focus on guns?

Falls from buildings and bridges account for about 2% of suicides. Hanging, around 24%. Cutting about 2%.

Guns are 50%.

Hope that helps.

Take away access to guns and see how those numbers change. Suicide is not caused by guns nor is it prevented by no access to a gun.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Still not Reagan’s law.

How? Reagan signed it… he advocated it. A Republican brought the bill forward in the Senate

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Still not Reagan’s law.

How? Reagan signed it… he advocated it. A Republican brought the bill forward in the Senate

Nope … still not Reagan’s doing.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Nope … still not Reagan’s doing.

Then the affordable healthcare act isn’t Obamas…

Deal?

[Samm]

I never said it was. Obama took credit for that one. He liked that people called it Obamacare instead of its official name.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

I never said it was. Obama took credit for that one. He liked that people called it Obamacare instead of its official name.

Cool thanks. Glad to know that bills signed and supported by the president aren’t the presidents bill. The buck stops somewhere else.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

I never said it was. Obama took credit for that one. He liked that people called it Obamacare instead of its official name.

Cool thanks. Glad to know that bills signed and supported by the president aren’t the presidents bill. The buck stops somewhere else.

Its about time you learned that.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Its about time you learned that.

I needed you to teach me that Presidents have zero responsibilities on the bills they sign.

[WildRose]

No, the facts simply destroy the “point”.

Not having access to a gun will not stop anyone from committing suicide that is intent upon doing so.

[WildRose]

A gov’t that attempt to strip us of our most basic protected rights is by definition “tyrannical”.

[WildRose]

No such ban exists.

[Samm]

I didn’t say anything about responsibility. I have been talking about credit.

[westaussie]

You simply do not comprehend what was posted.

[westaussie]

Was his veto overridden?

[WildRose]

The claim was that access to firearms increases suicide rates which is false.

@Borgia_dude

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/9/07-043489/en/

It has been known for some time that firearms affect the suicide frequency, and firearm suicide predominates in several countries in the Americas and also in some European countries. Firearm suicide is frequent in countries where firearms are common in private households.

Readily available poisons and firearms facilitate unplanned suicide acts,22,23 which are typical of impulsive suicide. Consequently, they increase the suicide frequency.

Not sure why this is even controversial here.

[westaussie]

No matter how many times you assert that it will not make it true.

[PurpnGold]

@WildRose

No such ban exists.

On manufacturing, yes. Not on ownership of those weapons made before 1986. Ownership is just just “taxed” differently than any other arm available to citizens