GOP: You should work to gain medicaid benefits. Unless you're a white, rural voter

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T12:53:08.916Z

biggestal99:

I was not I who said white males are victims.

sorry Al. But your ploy is deployed… and failed.

biggestal99 · 2018-05-18T12:57:19.192Z

LOL. nope, it was your post that stated the blacks are victimizing the white male.

you wrote:

“Its about time white men caught a break in america…”

white males dont need breaks. LOL

Allan

WuWei · 2018-05-18T12:58:13.046Z

Thanks, but that doesn’t really answer the question, does it?

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T12:59:11.571Z

biggestal99:

you wrote:

“Its about time white men caught a break in america…”

you should pay attention.
I was responding to this lib post

GOP: You should work to gain medicaid benefits. Unless you're a white, rural voter Politics

Its about time whites caught a break in america…

MoleUK · 2018-05-18T13:19:19.137Z

WuWei:

hanks, but that doesn’t really answer the question, does it?

Ah but it sort of does.

Another surgical strike.

MoleUK · 2018-05-18T13:20:40.509Z

“We’re not targetting blacks, it just so happens that this policy overwhelmingly affects them”

Or “Democrats” if you like. But in this case there is an overwhelmingly disproportionate racial aspect. They’ve been caught doing it before.

Auto129 · 2018-05-18T13:38:08.879Z

Is the government a legitimate tool for minorites to use in this competition?

Or is that a special privilege reserved for whites?

Or maybe the rules have just changed after the country was established for more than a century and a three quarters and all the whites were safely nestled in their subsidized suburban homes that cost about as much as the dirt they were built on.

Yeah just slice up minority populations up with poisoned blades, and then have a “fair” fistfight afterwards. Totally legit.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T13:56:02.526Z

Auto129:

Is the government a legitimate tool for minorites to use in this competition?

only to ensure that no civil rights are violated during the competition.

Auto129 · 2018-05-18T14:03:53.684Z

I agree. And if civil rights are violated in that competition, what should happen? What should the government do? If it’s job is to ensure, then that is the vehicle of ensuring?

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T14:16:43.393Z

Auto129:

If it’s job is to ensure, then that is the vehicle of ensuring

no no no… you don’t just add more weight to the other side of the balance You remove the illegitimate civil rights violation that tipped the scale in the first place.

Equal OPPORTUNITY is the key. Diversity may cause the actual results to be skewed. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. But it seems to me that a legitimate role for the government is to ensure that no violation of civil rights creates unequal OPPORTUNITY.

Auto129 · 2018-05-18T15:16:18.081Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

no no no… you don’t just add more weight to the other side of the balance You remove the illegitimate civil rights violation that tipped the scale in the first place.

Equal OPPORTUNITY is the key. Diversity may cause the actual results to be skewed. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. But it seems to me that a legitimate role for the government is to ensure that no violation of civil rights creates unequal OPPORTUNITY.

And that is what? What kept qualified minorites from getting those federal contracts or jobs, for example? We know that minorites were plenty qualified for this work since wartime executive orders forcing workplace integration worked well enough.

There was no rule against hiring minority contractors. The racially monolithic administrative apparatus for awarding these contracts or hiring for these jobs was the civil rights violation causing unequal opportunity. And it’s being removed via the measures you’re complaining bout.

Godinez · 2018-05-18T15:17:40.181Z

Yeah. It’s truly been rough.

Godinez · 2018-05-18T15:20:18.879Z

Extra SAT points for minorities? That’s BS.

WuWei · 2018-05-18T15:23:08.269Z

No, it really doesn’t.

Godinez · 2018-05-18T15:26:43.431Z

Yes. White men have been oppressed in America since slavery until the present. That’s why they are so proud of Trump, the first white male to achieve that kind of political success in America.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T15:31:00.517Z

Auto129:

And it’s being removed via the measures you’re complaining bout.

wrong. It’s being addressed by the government attempting to counterbalance what it perceives as inequalities. Its not the same as removing civil rights violations.

Godinez · 2018-05-18T15:33:28.080Z

You are wrong. White men were the real victims of institutional racism until Trump got elected.

Auto129 · 2018-05-18T16:06:40.032Z

All-white racial monoliths in the relevant institutions were the problem. Diversification is the removal of that problem.

The mere absence of a discriminatory hiring rule does not fix a problem that wasn’t caused by rules in the first place. Since at least as far back as FDRs 8802 executive order, equal employment rules were already in place within the federal government in some form or another. Yet the problem had to be revisited again in the 60s with affrimative action.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T16:16:26.866Z

Auto129:

All-white racial monoliths in the relevant institutions were the problem. Diversification is the removal of that problem.

The mere absence of a discriminatory hiring rule does not fix a problem that wasn’t caused by rules in the first place. Since at least as far back as FDRs 8802 executive order, equal employment rules were already in place within the federal government in some form or another. Yet the problem had to be revisited again in the 60s with affrimative action.

you could use some updating. Try a little reading. The threat is not some faceless all-white racial monolith.

http://asianamericanforeducation.org/en/issue/discrimination-on-admissions/

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-18T16:22:32.721Z

Auto129:

All-white racial monoliths in the relevant institutions were the problem

from that link