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I have been following this on and off since it first became news in 2016.

Amos Miller is an Amish farmer who decided he was exempt from the laws of the United States. Running a commercial slaughter operation without the presence of USDA inspectors. Selling raw milk across States lines. While raw milk is legal or partially legal in some States, selling it across State lines is always illegal. He tried to justify it by running a private buyer’s club, but that did not hold up.

Recently, however, he has run up the crazy by falling in with the sovereign citizens movement, including trying to adopt sovereign citizen’s defenses for his ongoing civil case and contempt proceedings.

Of course, it did not work. :smile:

He has run up over $300,000 in fines and costs and is facing imprisonment for contempt for failure to pay the amount owed.

I would suggest Amos separate him from the sovereign citizen loonies and pay his fines while he still has a farm to run.

And hopefully others will realize that these supposed “hacks”, like buyer’s clubs, won’t get you out of following Federal law.

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I feel that if someone wants to be a sovereign citizen and not obey the law our laws then they shouldn’t be able to enjoy the protections of our laws either. That way we can just throw them in jail with no charges, no access to counsel, etc.

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Yep. I’m all for this as well.

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So two liberals so far on board to lock up a guy with no charges for the grave sim of selling milk, sounds about right.

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EVERYBODY is entitled to due process

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I’m rooting for the guy.

Bird-in-Hand, PA — Amos Miller and his family has been running Miller’s Organic Farm for over a century, providing willing and highly satisfied customers with milk, chicken, beef, and eggs. All of the food coming from Miller’s farm is beyond organic, humanely raised in a non-factory setting and the animals treated with dignity as they spend their entire lives naturally and stress-free out on pasture. By any moral standard, Miller’s farm is the leading example of what farming in America should look like.

Recently, federal Judge Edward G. Smith, imposed sanctions on his farm, ordering the family farm to pay over $250,000 in fines or go to jail. Because the Millers don’t use the USDA factory farm methods

The USDA is unilaterally going after the farm for failing to use their approved slaughter houses which stress and harm the animals before they are killed. Even if an animal is pasture raised and cared for, the USDA requires it be loaded into a truck and hauled to one of its approved slaughter houses where it spends its last moments alive surrounded by death and corralled into tiny pens with other animals before being killed by a person who never raised it.

On the contrary, Amos, who is Amish, prays with the animals before they are sacrificed in peace on his farm.

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But they like to release violent type criminals in places like NY and Chicago.

Libs. Go figure. :roll_eyes:

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Yeah. The part about no due process, etc., is over the top. I agree with the sentiment that Spiff proposed. He should be treated as a non-citizen. But even non-citizens get due process here.

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How much of his situation was he pushed into by overbearing officials?

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Anybody got sick from Amos’ products?

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Is that like EVERYBODY everybody? Including those that illegally cross the border, for example.

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Yes. They are supposed to have due process.

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Nah. We can’t on one hand deny the theory and proceed as normal, but then on the other hand accept the theory to deny due process.

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I don’t know. I was just commenting on the specific sub-discussion about someone wanting to declare himself a non-citizen.

As far as the specifics if this farmer’s case, I suspect there is more than is being reported. I have more questions than opinion on the specific case.

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In my opinion, it’s EVERYBODY. Even if Osama bin Laden had been captured in the USA, caught red-handed participating in a terrorist operation, he would be entitled to due process.

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I’ll try to answer. The problem is that he’s selling unprocessed milk across state lines. This puts it under federal regulations. FDA rules are that milk must be processed. Unprocessed milk can easily lead to e-coli outbreaks. What he needs to do is what companies that sell fresh apple cider do. Make the buyer sign a form that states they are not gonna drink it raw, but instead use it for something like making apple butter. In that process the cider is boiled thus killing off the e-coil. If the person then drinks it anyway and gets sick, hey, they signed a form stating they wouldn’t do that so it’s all on them.

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no, they do not, a lot of them are deported without a hearing.

next…….

Allan

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In Florida, raw milk is not legal to sell for human consumption, but is legal for pet purposes. So people sign a form that they are going to use it for their pets. :smile:

However, while the States let that bull ■■■■ pass, the Federal government does not and selling raw milk across State lines is not possible. :smile:

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Raw milk is legal in Pennsylvania IF it is either sold directly at the farm or at a retail store run by the farm. So Mr. Miller could still sell to Pennsylvania residents or out of state folks who physically come to his store to pick up the milk.

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I don’t see any legal way for him to get out of the requirement for having a USDA inspector on site when he slaughters livestock commercially.