Prove it. Tell me, how many servers does MSFT and AMZN house across the globe and how many watts per hour do each draw on average?

I’ll wait…

How many amps do you think 100’s of electrical motors some as high as 1000 HP use per hour?

Check it out and get back to me.

Your examples are mickey mouse.

No wonder they volunteered to support the accord.

Empty symbolism.

What’s NY and CA’s carbon footprint @gooddad409?

How many amps do you think 1,000,000s of the most high powered data servers draw per hour?

The companies on that list make up 30% of US GDP

Oh i am just talking about one plant. There are probably many tens of thousands of such motors across the country. At manufacturing sites.

Manufacturing is what would truly be affected by the ineffectual accord.

Didn’t see much of that on your list. Why should our manufacturing industries pursue Draconian measures from the accord while China and India pollute at will and thus nullify anything we are doing?

The Accord is simply a redistribution of wealth scheme.

Period. The end.

How big is BP’s footprint?

Ya who is Dupont

https://www.dupont.com/position-statements/climate-change.html

Walmart isn’t very big either

https://corporate.walmart.com/global-responsibility/sustainability/sustainability-in-our-operations/reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions

So, adding up BP, Walmart, Dupont, Microsoft, Netflix, Amazon…a lot of goft shops is all they are

The british company BP? Let them suit themselves.

Can’t say as i care what they are doing.

Correct. You don’t seem to care about companies on the list that negate your claims :rofl:

So you have a couple of legits (only 2 that i see)? Big deal.

What’s a goft shop by the way. :laughing:

Glad to see you admitting defeat.

Btw, still waiting on your answer:

When they signed onto the Paris Accord, China agreed to a phase one reduction of their footprint by converting 20% of their coal generated power plants to LNG. And the US would have been the primary supplier of LNG, conversion parts and green power technology. And we would have been in a position to monitor and control their progress (a lot of control maintained by trade regulations).
India committed to converting their power plants to achieve 40% of their power would be generated by non-fossil fuel by 2030.
When the US exited the accord, China pushed out their commitment by asking that they be treated as a “emerging country”. Without outside financial assistance their programs are changing. However they say they are committed to making changes in their power generation plants.
India seems like they might be playing games with the UN in regards to the accord. Under the accord developed countries committed to provide $100B per year to under-developed countries. However India has said that they will need $2.5T between 2016 and 2030. And that has become their solid number to be able to achieve their stated goal. So further negotiations on that deal are ongoing.

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A lot of energy required to operate a large server farm is in the cooling systems and air handling systems.
The ratio is on average is for every 100 watts spent to operate the server it takes a additional 50 watts to cool it.

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If…all the pollution that happened…anywhere in the world, producing the goods and services consumed by Americans…I doubt seriously…“we” produced less carbon. When we buy goods “made in China”…we are financially supporting pollution levels that are unacceptable in the US…but since it doesn’t count against us…everyone can feeeeel better about themselves.

China didn’t have to comply for quite a few years yet to come. Nor India so the treaty meant squat.

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You remind me of that chess playing pigeon.

p.s. i have conceded nothing. No need to.

I win