Global warming is real

[Borgia]

Magnitude matters. If you go out enough decimal places you’ll find an effect. Who cares? We are talking about something that would effect temperatures similar to what changes we see today, not milli-degrees.

[Borgia]

The sun is fairly well understood. Feel free to hypothesize what mechanismninvthe sun could account for the period we observe on Wildrose’s graph. Scientists gave already chimed in saying orbital forcing and they have math and physics behind it.

All I have seen from you and Wildrose is words. Words from two people who have never studied astrophysics.

[Samm]

@7ranz

@Samm

@7ranz

Are we adapting before or after appealing to Justinian law about why what’s happening is good actually?

Where’s the adaptation? Hoping science finds a way to fix it isn’t adaptation.

Perhaps you just don’t know the meaning of the word adaptation.

Well, I don’t think humans are pokemon so I guess that means I don’t understand the meaning of adaption.

Adaptation … the action or process of adapting or being adapted. Putting on a coat when it’s cold is adaptation. Building a house and heating it with fire or cooling it with an evaporator is adaptation. Cutting down the forest and growing plants and domesticating animals for food is adaptation. Building dikes and pumps so that you can live below sea level is adaptation. Building reservoirs and aqueducts so that you can live on extremely arid ground is adaptation. And on and on and on. Man is the most adaptable species on Earth.

[JayJay]

@Samm

@7ranz

@Samm

@7ranz

Are we adapting before or after appealing to Justinian law about why what’s happening is good actually?

Where’s the adaptation? Hoping science finds a way to fix it isn’t adaptation.

Perhaps you just don’t know the meaning of the word adaptation.

Well, I don’t think humans are pokemon so I guess that means I don’t understand the meaning of adaption.

Adaptation … the action or process of adapting or being adapted. Putting on a coat when it’s cold is adaptation. Building a house and heating it with fire or cooling it with an evaporator is adaptation. Cutting down the forest and growing plants and domesticating animals for food is adaptation. Building dikes and pumps so that you can live below sea level is adaptation. Building reservoirs and aqueducts so that you can live on extremely arid ground is adaptation. And on and on and on. Man is the most adaptable species on Earth.

No we aren’t.

Not even close.

[7ranz]

@Samm

@7ranz

@Samm

@7ranz

Are we adapting before or after appealing to Justinian law about why what’s happening is good actually?

Where’s the adaptation? Hoping science finds a way to fix it isn’t adaptation.

Perhaps you just don’t know the meaning of the word adaptation.

Well, I don’t think humans are pokemon so I guess that means I don’t understand the meaning of adaption.

Adaptation … the action or process of adapting or being adapted. Putting on a coat when it’s cold is adaptation. Building a house and heating it with fire or cooling it with an evaporator is adaptation. Cutting down the forest and growing plants and domesticating animals for food is adaptation. Building dikes and pumps so that you can live below sea level is adaptation. Building reservoirs and aqueducts so that you can live on extremely arid ground is adaptation. And on and on and on. Man is the most adaptable species on Earth.

Yeah, we get it. Not your problem. It’s our and our kids problem. We’ll just pretend we are Dr. Who while the world burns and everything will be ok. Adapting and all.

[Samm]

@Borgia_dude_dude

The sun is fairly well understood. Feel free to hypothesize what mechanismninvthe sun could account for the period we observe on Wildrose’s graph. Scientists gave already chimed in saying orbital forcing and they have math and physics behind it.

All I have seen from you and Wildrose is words. Words from two people who have never studied astrophysics.

The orbit variation is regular. If that were the only thing affect Earth’s temperature the line would be smooth with little if any difference during each cycle. Is the line on the graph between the cyclic highs and lows smooth? No. The sun has several cycles each with a different period that affect Earth’s climate much more frequently than orbital forcing. But even if those were the only other factors, the climate would be more regular. Obviously there is far more complexity involved, making the less significant factors and random occuring events (such as NEOs) less discernible, if not impossible to discern, particularly on such a compressed time scale.

In other words, you can’t prove a damn thing with that graph other than that a cyclic pattern of temperature has existed on Earth for the last couple million years or so.

[7ranz]

Pass the buck.

[WildRose]

@Borgia_dude_dude

@WildRose

Regular” within a few thousand years. Your claim there was no NEO’s during those periods is completely baseless, we’d have no way whatsoever of knowing either way.

So your theory is a NEO that zooms by the earth every hundred thousand years temporarily changes our orbit causing a significant warming cycle and then shoots off into our star system and remains undetected? Do you think something like that might leave some other sort of evidence behind?

I never said that was my theory, I said it’s a possibility.

What we know for certain is that orbital forcing alone cannot account for either the warming or the cooling in toto particularly for the Holocene period’s sudden cooling.

As for evidence what kind of evidence would be left unless there was an actual impact?

[WildRose]

@Borgia_dude_dude

Magnitude matters. If you go out enough decimal places you’ll find an effect. Who cares? We are talking about something that would effect temperatures similar to what changes we see today, not milli-degrees.

All it takes to alter temperatures by far more than we’ve seen rise in the last two hundred years is an extended period of cloudy days or a large volcanic eruption that can alter temperatures for years.

[WildRose]

@Samm

@Borgia_dude_dude

The sun is fairly well understood. Feel free to hypothesize what mechanismninvthe sun could account for the period we observe on Wildrose’s graph. Scientists gave already chimed in saying orbital forcing and they have math and physics behind it.

All I have seen from you and Wildrose is words. Words from two people who have never studied astrophysics.

The orbit variation is regular. If that were the only thing affect Earth’s temperature the line would be smooth with little if any difference during each cycle. Is the line on the graph between the cyclic highs and lows smooth? No. The sun has several cycles each with a different period that affect Earth’s climate much more frequently than orbital forcing. But even if those were the only other factors, the climate would be more regular. Obviously there is far more complexity involved, making the less significant factors and random occuring events (such as NEOs) less discernible, if not impossible to discern, particularly on such a compressed time scale.

In other words, you can’t prove a damn thing with that graph other than that a cyclic pattern of temperature has existed on Earth for the last couple million years or so.

We havent’ got enough data from observation or measurement to really know anything about any long term cycles the sun may go through. Most of what we “know” about them is pure theory that isn’t based on any actual evidence. It’s assumptions built upon assumptions.

[WildRose]

They are completely relevant if you’re going to claim that man is responsible for the warming of this cycle.

If man is indeed responsible we should be seeing a significant difference from the previous cycles.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Borgia_dude_dude

@WildRose

Regular” within a few thousand years. Your claim there was no NEO’s during those periods is completely baseless, we’d have no way whatsoever of knowing either way.

So your theory is a NEO that zooms by the earth every hundred thousand years temporarily changes our orbit causing a significant warming cycle and then shoots off into our star system and remains undetected? Do you think something like that might leave some other sort of evidence behind?

I will point out that no new event is required for each new cycle. Anyone ever study the basic response of an undamped system that has had an initial but non-eternal forcing function applied to it? It oscillates.

Ponder that, libs.

Algodoo Webinar - Springs & Damping

What we need now is for one of the real smart libbies to point out that there are no springs on the earth… along with their hardy LOL at the moronic low education of this conservative for suggesting that the spring - mass model is remotely relevant.

[Richard_Nielsen]

Actually it is very simple, the climate on our planet is truly effected by these things. Our reflectivity to the radiation of the Sun, meaning our color, our cloud cover and what not on any given day. The amount of off gassing happening in our atmosphere, our distance from our sun in our given orbit at the time in our elliptical orbit around it which does change through the years, and our geometric angle from equator through out the years. That is what effects our surface temperatures. It has nothing to do with natural gasses at saturation in atmosphere other than off gassing. If you would all like to see the somewhat simple real math, I would be happy to provide it.

[Physics_Hunter]

No ■■■■ there!

N. Fairfax drive has grown out of control.

I lament that the prosperity of Ballston has chased some of the really good Mom&Pop places out. There are still a couple of stand-out places a few hundred yards out of the commercialized space.

They have people making good money and working long hours. Good eats and drinks are a must.

[Borgia]

@WildRose

All it takes to alter temperatures by far more than we’ve seen rise in the last two hundred years is an extended period of cloudy days or a large volcanic eruption that can alter temperatures for years

Are you of the opinion that volcanic activity or cloudy days raises temperature and occurs in a cyclical pattern every 100,00 years?

Focus. We’re looking for explanations for the graph you provided.

[Borgia]

@WildRose

What we know for certain is that orbital forcing alone cannot account for either the warming or the cooling in toto particularly for the Holocene period’s sudden cooling.

We are talking about warming though.

Here’s some good reading:

Holocene climatic optimum

Nothing in there about NEOs.

[Borgia]

@WildRose

As for evidence what kind of evidence would be left unless there was an actual impact?

It’s not my area of science but there are gravitational fields at play here. Rock orientation, tides…I don’t know but something that effects our orbit substantially probably would leave a record. I could be wrong.

[Borgia]

@WildRose

If man is indeed responsible we should be seeing a significant difference from the previous cycles.

First off, what mechanism are you proposing and providing evidence for that accounts for the warming?

Second, will it account for the much higher rate of warming today than we observe in previous cycles?

Third, are you claiming CO2 is not a greenhouse gas?

Fourth, you haven’t shown that orbital forcing cannot account for the previous cycles.

[Borgia]

Are you saying there is no greenhouse effect?

[Samson_Corwell]

Pokemon don’t adapt, they evolve. Samm wants to grow wings.