WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:32pm
2508
What locking into orbit? Let’s take it to extremes. If I physically move the planet out 1AU from its 1 AU orbit (to a 2 AU orbit), do you think it would return to its 1 AU orbit after I stop moving it?
I presume you would agree it is not returning to its 1 AU orbit. Now, why not?
Now make that delta AU smaller and the exact same Physics hold true.
Why would I play your stupid game?
If you move a planet far enough away from the bodies exerting any significant gravitational force on them to a point at which they no longer exert enough force to overcome the change in trajectory it will be thrown out of the system.
We’re discussing small variations in the earth’s orbit, nothing more.
What locking into orbit? Let’s take it to extremes. If I physically move the planet out 1AU from its 1 AU orbit (to a 2 AU orbit), do you think it would return to its 1 AU orbit after I stop moving it?
I presume you would agree it is not returning to its 1 AU orbit. Now, why not?
Now make that delta AU smaller and the exact same Physics hold true.
This is where his bungee cord theory comes into play.
WildRose:
That’s exactly how it works. We have many times more arable land today than we did 50 years ago primarily due to irrigation and the increased growing seasons in the far northern and southern hemispheres.
The Canadian growing season today is nearly three weeks longer than it was a hundred years ago and the can grow food crops there that could not be grown before as a result as well as allowing for double cropping of grains.
Now you’re walking back what you said.
You said ‘‘Try shortening the growing season world wide by a few weeks and see how that equation works out.’’
It doesn’t happen on a world wide scale that quickly. If it did, something else much more devastating would be occurring. And it wouldn’t be 2 weeks uniformly worldwide.
dantes
September 13, 2018, 6:34pm
2511
How exactly would they have been pulled into the sun or flown out of the system?
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:36pm
2512
It doesn’t have to happen quickly. We can’t make more arable land near the equators to make up for a loss during an ice age.
Whether it happens over weeks, months, years, centuries, or decades the result is the same.
As it is we can barely produce enough food to feed most of the world’s population, any reduction in that ability is going to cause famine and death and as people try to move away from the advancing ice it would result in full scale wars killing people by the millions while they fight over the ever shrinking arable land that is left.
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:37pm
2514
Gravity and acceleration.
dantes
September 13, 2018, 6:39pm
2515
You understand how an orbit works, don’t you? An object in orbit doesn’t just get sucked into the object its orbiting.
We produce enough food to feed all of the world’s population.
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:40pm
2517
Without the gravity of the other planets yes, eventually that would be the result. The remaining planets would at least be pulled in so close as to become much like venus and mercury.
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:41pm
2518
If that were true there would never be famine.
Borgia
September 13, 2018, 6:43pm
2519
Explain where this occurs. I’m not aware of this discontinuity in the orbital equations.
I can’t believe you actually posted this.
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:44pm
2521
That would depend on the objects in question and a great many factors.
Borgia
September 13, 2018, 6:45pm
2523
The bungee cord theory is exactly opposite the theory of gravity.
A bungee cord sees higher tensile force the more it is stretched.
Gravitational forces a decrease as the distance increases.
It’s a piss-poor analogy.
WildRose:
It doesn’t have to happen quickly. We can’t make more arable land near the equators to make up for a loss during an ice age.
Whether it happens over weeks, months, years, centuries, or decades the result is the same.
As it is we can barely produce enough food to feed most of the world’s population, any reduction in that ability is going to cause famine and death and as people try to move away from the advancing ice it would result in full scale wars killing people by the millions while they fight over the ever shrinking arable land that is left.
Wait…What…now we’re having an Ice Age. I thought even if you didn’t believe in climate change the earth was still warming.
You want us to prepare for the next Ice Age in oh…20 or 30,000 years?
Tilly_jow:
WildRose:
It doesn’t have to happen quickly. We can’t make more arable land near the equators to make up for a loss during an ice age.
Whether it happens over weeks, months, years, centuries, or decades the result is the same.
As it is we can barely produce enough food to feed most of the world’s population, any reduction in that ability is going to cause famine and death and as people try to move away from the advancing ice it would result in full scale wars killing people by the millions while they fight over the ever shrinking arable land that is left.
Wait…What…now we’re having an Ice Age. I thought even if you didn’t believe in climate change the earth was still warming.
You want us to prepare for the next Ice Age in oh…20 or 30,000 years?
It is hard to follow, isn’t it?
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 6:49pm
2527
Cite a post in which I have said we’re entering a new ice age.
Cite any post in which I have said there is no warming.
Either that or admit you’re just making things up again.
The climate has not been constant for any significant period of time for around 4 BN years.
It is, has been, and always will be in a state of change.
It sure seems like you did in the post below.
WildRose:
It doesn’t have to happen quickly. We can’t make more arable land near the equators to make up for a loss during an ice age.
Whether it happens over weeks, months, years, centuries, or decades the result is the same.
WildRose
September 13, 2018, 7:03pm
2530
No, it doesn’t resemble such a claim in any way.
You’re still making it up as you go along.
dantes
September 13, 2018, 7:03pm
2531
Are you serious? I don’t think you understand anything about orbits.
The only thing needed to maintain our orbit and prevent is from crashing into the sun is for us to maintain our velocity. Good thing that isn’t going to happen.
