Global food shortage because of war?

[Striker840]

@PurpnGold

@Guvnah

@PurpnGold

Has a plan…

Did I say I had a plan?

Why did you make that up? Why can’t you be honest?

It’s why I have ever-growing contempt for your posts. You’re the worst of the libs around here.

It’s implied by this

@Guvnah

And I’m not interested in suggesting specifics so that you can summarily disagree with them.

Sorry.

If you didn’t have a plan, you could have simply said “I don’t have a plan”

But you didn’t.

Not like you or any other lib poster would enter into an honest discussion. You know a REAL exchange of ideas.

[tnt]

@Hexenbiest

Because in the end no one cares about the lower classes. A lot of this started before Apple but when Apple became the biggest company in the U.S. in 2005 a lot of other companies copied their model. They do the design and research here in the U.S. but ship off the labor to the slave camps, they all do it now. Sad but few care, what we can hope for is the small and mid size companies keep things in the U.S.

This was happening well before Apple.

It’s just that the ubiquitous iPhone really drove the point home.

[tnt]

@Striker840

Not like you or any other lib poster would enter into an honest discussion. You know a REAL exchange of ideas.

That’s unfair. Myself and others have been trying to engage in honest discussion this entire thread only to be told that libs aren’t worth the time, or to have posts parsed, and questions unanswered because…libs!

I have common ground with many conservative posters in this thread, but no one wants to take the next step and discuss the real challenges of the next steps.

[WuWei]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Tariffs

“To save the market, we must regulate the market.”

Socialists and big business.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

You want to tell a story.

Why the sudden penchant for derision. You do it too, it’s human nature.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@Guvnah

@JayJay

As I said, a tribal story.

If you insist, lib,

I can do this all day.

A planner is open to having his plan examined for benefits and risks.

A tribal storyteller wants his tribe to make him feel good about his tribal story.

How are you better?

[JayJay]

Mad?

I’m laughing at your tribalness.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@DMK

@JayJay

Amazing what happens when for 30+ years, we follow an economic philosophy that favor the “owners” of capital in the hopes that wealth “trickles down”.

What does wealth look like when it trickles up?

Alex, the answer is “what is a false dichotomy”?

What’s the alternative to your criticism then, sideways?

[WuWei]

The Usual Suspects ganging up 4 and 5 to one. You guys must be so proud.

[tnt]

@WuWei

What’s the alternative to your criticism then, sideways?

Can’t speak for Jay, but my alternative is, policies that support and grow the middle class, such as those we implemented in the 50’s and 60’s that led to the greatest middle class expansion in global history.

Strengthen unions, minimum wage (back when it had a relative worth…so it should now be linked to inflation), GI bill paying for advanced education, CEO/worker wage rates lower than the stratosphere, pensions and retirement plans, etc…

Not easy of course, but that’s where our policy, IMO should be focused.

[WuWei]

Rosy Retrospective of an era you didn’t see in color?

“Policies” didn’t increase the middle class, war did.

Unions have outlived their usefulness. They got their laws to protect the worker and are now simple extortionists…

Minimum wage is a non-issue except for high school kids and drug addicts.

There is a “GI Bill”. Veteran education is not an issue.

CEO wages have no impact on your wages. Worker wages are “in the stratosphere”?

You have retirement plans available.

You listed a series of grievances regurgitated from somewhere. No thought put into it at all.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

The Usual Suspects ganging up 4 and 5 to one. You guys must be so proud.

Captain save-a-con to the rescue!

[WuWei]

Usual Suspect to the pile on.

I’m a liberal.

Bullying is ugly.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

to the rescue!

To the rescue from what? Are you confessing? Are you the spokesman for the gang?

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

to the rescue!

To the rescue from what? Are you confessing? Are you the spokesman for the gang?

You are captain save-a-con.

I’m not the spokesperson for anyone but myself. I also don’t feel the need to call “bullying!!” On a discussion board about politics.

We are all adults here.

[WuWei]

What am I saving them from?

@PurpnGold

We are all adults here.

I can see how “adult” some of us are.

She held her own against the 3 of you just fine. More of an observation than a save.

Bullying… tsk, tsk. Must be the mark of organic intellectuals.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

What am I saving them from?

@PurpnGold

We are all adults here.

I can see how “adult” some of us are.

Ummm

@WuWei

The Usual Suspects ganging up 4 and 5 to one. You guys must be so proud.

And

@WuWei

Bullying is ugly.

Emphasis mine

[WuWei]

Be proud of it.

[Guvnah]

@PurpnGold

It’s implied by this

No, it’s not.

Maybe you INFERRED it, but that’s part of your dishonest style here.

Go pester someone else.

[zantax]

@tnt

@WuWei

What’s the alternative to your criticism then, sideways?

Can’t speak for Jay, but my alternative is, policies that support and grow the middle class, such as those we implemented in the 50’s and 60’s that led to the greatest middle class expansion in global history.

Strengthen unions, minimum wage (back when it had a relative worth…so it should now be linked to inflation), GI bill paying for advanced education, CEO/worker wage rates lower than the stratosphere, pensions and retirement plans, etc…

Not easy of course, but that’s where our policy, IMO should be focused.

None of that is what produced that prosperity, that was europe being turned into rubble. And labor makes more now as then did then but can afford more thanks to our reliance on overseas cheap labor for manufacturing.

I couldn’t find a chart going back that far easily but this one going from 1979 to present should give you the idea.

Median inflation adjusted earnings U.S. 1979-2022 | Statista