Giuliani: "people will revolt"

BlueTex · 2018-08-28T08:08:07.867Z

WildRose:

That was again a civil case, not a criminal case.

And the Daniels case is a civil case

WildRose · 2018-08-28T08:08:41.075Z

And we were talking about a criminal charge, not just the Daniels case.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-08-28T10:15:28.601Z

swriddle:

How long are people going to keep making Stormy Super Slut Daniels a Superhero? Is that what you want your kids be?

It appears that Republicans here would rather their kids be like super slut Donald Trump.

BlueTex · 2018-08-28T11:18:07.166Z

WildRose:

Where did I said it prohibits criminal prosecution?

You have made the claim that the constitution prohibits indictment of the president… Make your argument…

BlueTex · 2018-08-28T11:19:36.486Z

WildRose:

And we were talking about a criminal charge, not just the Daniels case.

Good lord… Trump is a party in a federal lawsuit… The other party is asking to have him deposed… Will he testify under oath?

swriddle · 2018-08-28T14:18:56.460Z

I don’t care one way or the other what happens, happens. I’m just waiting for both party’s to help this country fold and I’ll take the crumbs that are left. This from a individual who spent years defending the Constitution and the rights of idiots who either don’t appreciate they’re freedom or want to give it back to the government.

WildRose · 2018-08-28T15:34:51.473Z

BlueTex:

WildRose:

Where did I said it prohibits criminal prosecution?

You have made the claim that the constitution prohibits indictment of the president… Make your argument…

Quote it… .

WildRose · 2018-08-28T15:35:44.648Z

BlueTex:

WildRose:

And we were talking about a criminal charge, not just the Daniels case.

Good lord… Trump is a party in a federal lawsuit… The other party is asking to have him deposed… Will he testify under oath?

He’ll be served probably but knowing his record will fight it as far as he can. The precedent however has already been set.

dantes · 2018-08-28T15:45:34.301Z

Perjury is criminal.

Contempt is civil (at least in this case)

WildRose · 2018-08-28T15:52:11.303Z

And he was guilty of civil contempt and just lucky the judge didn’t push for a criminal complaint on the perjury.

dantes · 2018-08-28T16:14:55.054Z

I thought you said guilty can only be decided by a judge and jury. Where was his jury verdict?

WildRose · 2018-08-28T16:18:13.186Z

Judge, or.

The judge decided his guilt and issued the contempt citation.

dantes · 2018-08-28T16:21:28.875Z

WildRose:

Unless you’ve been found guilty by a judge and jury, you’re not guilty of murder. It is a legal determination.

Where is the “or”?

WildRose · 2018-08-28T16:24:16.381Z

dantes:

WildRose:

Unless you’ve been found guilty by a judge and jury, you’re not guilty of murder. It is a legal determination.

Where is the “or”?

Geeze you rally gonna run with that?

We were talking about a criminal conviction not a contempt citation and even in the case of a criminal trial a judge can decide guilt without even a jury being empaneled. In most cases though people demand a jury trial hoping for a better roll of the dice.

dantes · 2018-08-28T16:29:49.181Z

I actually agree 100% A contempt citation is totally different than criminal law. Which is why it’s wrong to say Clinton was found guilty of perjury.

sikofit · 2018-08-28T16:35:23.401Z

WildRose:

Geeze you rally gonna run with that?

I mean it’s not like you yourself aren’t a stickler about exact usage and semantics. If another poster had done the same thing you’d spend 50 posts arguing that it wasn’t what the poster originally said

James_Fitzgerald · 2018-08-29T06:16:19.302Z

Actually, ONLY ten percent of the colonists supported the American Revolution against the British Throne. TODAY, taking away democrats, leftists, illegals, anarchists and those who just don’t love this country from the total population and I PROMISE you, you have a lot more than ten per cent who would fight if necessary rather than watch their country die. But isn’t it interesting that most of the hate and violence we see is coming from the left. Hmmm?

Yakshi · 2018-08-29T06:46:30.623Z

Nah, revolt is a pipe dream. I mean, just look at the Trump supporters at his rallies. You can see the Cheetoh dust on their clothes from a dozen yards. Those people are going to rise up?

Not while they can replay Season 1 of Duck Dynasty from the comfort of their La-Z-Boy. Plus Domino’s has a great special on three-topping pizza, as long as our future revolutionary can get up off his sofa long enough to drive down to pick it up. He’ll probably make it there and back with a half-dozen beers already packed away. If not, he can blame Hillary.

But sure, these champions of humanity are going to rise up against tyranny.

Imagine their disappointment when they discover that they don’t serve booze in jail.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-08-29T14:10:26.284Z

WildRose:

Drawz:

WuWei:

Not so.

So.

Whether or not someone proves I’m guilty has no bearing on whether I am in fact guilty. Just like some one who isn’t guilty can be found guilty by an adjudicating authority. What the courts say doesn’t change what is.

Guilt is a legal determination.

Not exclusively.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-08-29T14:12:19.001Z

James_Fitzgerald:

Actually, ONLY ten percent of the colonists supported the American Revolution against the British Throne.

Sort of throws the consent of the governed narrative out the window.