conan
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For Pfizer, 6 months at 91.3 percent is still much higher then J&J which is about 65 percent or so.
the body of research suggests something, newer research seems to be confirming it.
i know. memory cells do not prevent you getting covid however, they just remember how to defeat it. there in lies the problem. not a health problem though, a government response problem. they are using fear of covid now to do things which don’t need to be done just so they can appear to be doing something to “save us” and then when the disease takes its natural course in spreading claim “it worked” and they’re “saving us”. do you think thats going to stop just because we know more and don’t need to fear getting it a 2nd time that much? I don’t. Its the road to their power.
but we do know they don’t have much to fear when it does.
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tnt
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What research are you refering to that supports your claim that vax antibodies only last 6mos?
you may be right…I am not sure of that. The issue as I see it is from this point of view. I am fully vaccinated. But I know down the road that if I get exposed and have the virus in me…can I spread it to someone else before my antibodies neutralize the SARSCOV2 virus. The answer is I believe it is yes. We know that people are not contagious until 4 to 7 days after infection. I believe this give ample time for the memory cells to take care of the disease. People who know also believe this. This is where the Government maybe needs to defer to the private sector a bit more. Or at least give us the science behind what they say. Often times, and even under the previous admin…it was believe as I say, without any shred of evidence.
It is that supportive evidence that makes them credible. Not the government official saying it.
is there a reason to believe they last longer than those you produce if you get covid? its the same antibodies being produced. how long they last seems to be a function of how many you produce. typically people who get the vaccines produce more than those who get covid, so we can expect that they’ll last longer, but not that much longer. for those with milder cases they seem to last about 3 or 4 months, maybe a little less. for those with more severe cases maybe up to about 9 months. the vast majority of cases are mild and it averages out at about 4 months, maybe slightly longer. i’m guessing an average of 6 months when vaccines are included, but lets say its higher… maybe 8. what does that mean when the bulk of us will have been vaccinated by late may? rising cases in dec? a jan-feb surge? how will the government respond? will they calmly tell us not to fear, that science says we’ll be fine? or, will they use the virus to again “save us”. which is more likely to either keep them in power or help them gain it? I think i know the answer
for those who bother looking… yes.
here’s the point. we’ve known for a very long time that schools could be safely opened. that children rarely get sick and rarely pass the disease onto adults. there are cases, yes. but they are few. yet we still don’t have many schools open because the government is “protecting” our children. how many people bought into this fantasy when the science was fairly clear for quite some time? how many still buy into it?
we’ve known for quite some time that as long as we social distance and/or mask, not a single business needs to be shut down (except maybe cruise lines or something similar). Yet we still have draconian lockdowns “saving us”.
at this point its not covid we need to fear, its government “saving us”.
What Draconian Lockdowns…
I talked to somebody at the gym who was from N.Y. He war pretty happy with not having to deal with that oppression anymore.
tnt
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Do you have a link to research showing that?
I have a friend who is a doctor who said his latest information is, natural antibodies last longer than the originally expected. But it was a casual conversation. I’d be curious to read where you are getting your information.
tnt
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Link?
As far as I know, know one has had a vaccine wear off yet, so we have no idea what happens after that.
Torrey said research suggests it might be decades before that happens or longer. In which case, we don’t need the masks at all.
if there’s new research coming out that says that, good. whats out there now does not. i’m perfectly willing to change my predictions if the science changes, until them however I’ll go with whats known
decades? not a chance. memory cells? possible, I’d even say likely. but thats not the vaccine, thats just your immune system. you still get covid, but your body remembers how to defeat it.
So what is locked down…what has the government shut down. People use the term “lockdown” for the same reason the OP states about the vaccine. To create fear of Government ruling our lives. I spent the last two days in three different cities in two states. Almost everything is open. The only thing having problems that I saw was restaurants. Retail stores are wide open.
So what lockdowns are we talking about?
I’m not going to try to prove there are lockdowns. If you don’t believe there are, I am fine with it.
I like the spin.
Tell me, who fined, shut down and threatened/harassed businesses that dared to stay open?
The one’s with that power are government be it fed, state or local.
Quit being disingenuous about who ordered the lockdowns and who enforced them.
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I’m not saying that didn’t happen, I’m asking what’s locked down now. Anything?
