Georgia school shooting 9/4/2024

Publius · 2024-09-04T22:27:05.915Z

I have an Expert Rifle medal that suggests I may know more than you apparently think.

tnt · 2024-09-04T22:30:02.540Z

Publius:

johnwk2:

Our Founders intended ordinary citizens to keep and bear arms [a contemporary fire arm used by foot soldiers] so they would be ready and able to defend themselves against a despotic government if necessary. The AR-15-semi is a civilian version of the United States military’s M16 and ought to be kept by ordinary citizens to defend against a tyrannical government if necessary. Forewarned is forearmed.

Right, because civilians with AR-15s are an even match for military with M-16s on full auto.

It’s all so silly.

And also, a completely wrong reading of the 2A.

e7alr · 2024-09-04T22:34:53.029Z

That means you can hit where you aim most of the time. It doesn’t mean you can make a critical analysis of fire discipline, and capabilities, as demonstrated by you comment that a civilian with an AR 15 is somehow out gunned by a military rifleman with an M-16 capable of 3 round burst fire. And the M-16, and the weapons deployed since went to 3 round burst, instead of full auto, about 30 years ago.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2024-09-04T22:35:24.496Z

Oh, you’ve done it now

gooddad409 · 2024-09-04T22:38:33.654Z

e7alr:

You probably shouldn’t opine on things you have no functional knowledge about. Most rifle fire is in semi-auto mode. I’m talking about service members engaging the enemy with their individual weapons, not crew served machine guns. And that military model fires 3 round bursts, not unrestricted full auto. Individual rifles are hard to keep on target with unrestricted full automatic fire. Semi-automatic fire allows the rifleman to maintain sight picture and bring accurate fire onto targets as they are identified and engaged.

Even a .22 rifle is semi-auto.

When i was a kid growing up in the country we used those to shoot tin cans.

johnwk2 · 2024-09-04T22:43:47.495Z

tnt:

Publius:

johnwk2:

Our Founders intended ordinary citizens to keep and bear arms [a contemporary fire arm used by foot soldiers] so they would be ready and able to defend themselves against a despotic government if necessary. The AR-15-semi is a civilian version of the United States military’s M16 and ought to be kept by ordinary citizens to defend against a tyrannical government if necessary. Forewarned is forearmed.

Right, because civilians with AR-15s are an even match for military with M-16s on full auto.

It’s all so silly.

And also, a completely wrong reading of the 2A.

The correct reading of the 2nd Amendment is found in our historical records.

During the framing and ratification debates of our federal constitution, a number of the States were extremely apprehensive that the federal government being created would eventually swallow up and devour their autonomy and dictate federal authority over the internal affairs of each state in matters such as would affect religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, etc., And to preserve State authority over such matters, a Resolution was passed submitting twelve amendments under the authority of Article V [our constitution’s amendment process] containing “declaratory and restrictive clauses” in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of powers by the newly created federal government. For confirmation of this fact see: Resolution of the First Congress Submitting Twelve Amendments to the Constitution; March 4, 1789

And for addition evidence confirming what I have stated above, see James Madison’s speech before Congress with reference to the adoption of these specific amendments, and confirming their adoption is to preserve and protect “federalism”, our Constitution’s big-tent system which reserves to the States and people therein, all powers not delegated to Congress. He says:

“It cannot be a secret to the gentlemen in this House, that, notwithstanding the ratification of this system of Government by eleven of the thirteen United States, in some cases unanimously, in others by large majorities; yet still there is a great number of our constituents who are dissatisfied with it; among whom are many respectable for their talents and patriotism, and respectable for the jealousy they have for their liberty, which, though mistaken in its object, is laudable in its motive. There is a great body of the people falling under this description, who at present feel much inclined to join their support to the cause of Federalism” ___See :Madison, June 8th, 1789, Amendments to the Constitution

The bottom line is, the 2nd Amendment was intentionally designed to forbid our federal government from infringing upon the people’s right to keep and bear arms.

JWK

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

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e7alr · 2024-09-04T23:11:30.668Z

The point is that individual weapons fire is meant to be primarily semi-automatic. It improves accuracy and conserves ammunition. A rifleman, armed with an AR 15 and 7 mags, going up against a rifleman with an M-16/M4 and 7 mags is essentially on equal footing, from the standpoint of the rifle they are carrying.

WuWei · 2024-09-04T23:19:24.673Z

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WuWei · 2024-09-04T23:20:58.388Z

Publius:

I have an Expert Rifle medal that suggests I may know more than you apparently think.

Air Force or Navy?

WuWei · 2024-09-04T23:21:27.766Z

tnt:

And also, a completely wrong reading of the 2A.

What’s the correct reading?

johnwk2 · 2024-09-04T23:32:21.281Z

Publius:

johnwk2:

tnt:

WuWei:

I didn’t see anything in that link about what kind of arm was used, did I miss it?

Evidently a musket.

johnwk2:

And the first thing our evil, authoritarian revolutionary Administration does, is use the incident to advocate for a ban on the very kind of weapon our founders intended for citizens to possess,

Our Founders intended ordinary citizens to keep and bear arms [a contemporary fire arm used by foot soldiers] so they would be ready and able to defend themselves against a despotic government if necessary. The AR-15-semi is a civilian version of the United States military’s M16 and ought to be kept by ordinary citizens to defend against a tyrannical government if necessary. Forewarned is forearmed.

Right, because civilians with AR-15s are an even match for military with M-16s on full auto.

Are you advocating law abiding civilians ought to have access to full auto?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has abandoned America’s constitutionally limited, democratic system, and now advocates democracy, which is a lawless, mob rule system of government.

Publius · 2024-09-04T23:49:31.178Z

WuWei:

Publius:

I have an Expert Rifle medal that suggests I may know more than you apparently think.

Air Force or Navy?

Neither.

Ben_Natuf · 2024-09-04T23:53:05.793Z

well since the expert marksman badge is not a medal to begin with…

Cub scouts?

Publius · 2024-09-04T23:58:55.415Z

Ben_Natuf:

well since the expert marksman badge is not a medal to begin with…

Cub scouts?

You are mistaken.

https://www.militarymedals.com/medals/navy-expert-rifle-medal/

Publius · 2024-09-05T00:02:52.605Z

e7alr:

That means you can hit where you aim most of the time. It doesn’t mean you can make a critical analysis of fire discipline, and capabilities, as demonstrated by you comment that a civilian with an AR 15 is somehow out gunned by a military rifleman with an M-16 capable of 3 round burst fire. And the M-16, and the weapons deployed since went to 3 round burst, instead of full auto, about 30 years ago.

When I earned the medal, they were still full auto.

e7alr · 2024-09-05T00:05:05.510Z

This from the heritage foundation is pretty good

A “well-regulated” militia simply meant that the processes for activating, training, and deploying the militia in official service should be efficient and orderly, and that the militia itself should be capable of competently executing battlefield operations.

Capable of competently executing battlefield operations is the key statement. In order to execute battlefield operations, the militia must be armed. This militia was pre National Guard and the citizen soldier called to armed service provided his own weapon. When the National Guard of the several states was created, an organized militia, equipped by the government, was added to the existing unorganized militias of the several states. The key word here is “added.” The unorganized militia still exists to this day, codified in Title 10 USC Armed Forces. This militia still provides its own arms if called upon, just as it has since the founding of the colonial militias to this day.

e7alr · 2024-09-05T00:08:36.071Z

Then you had to do full auto night fire, and the Drill Sergeants should have explained the issues that made full auto fire inaccurate and generally ineffective outside of close quarters. You aren’t winning any arguments referring to a range badge.

SixFoot · 2024-09-05T00:10:53.412Z

That ought to make for a good campaign speech. Opportune timing.

Munimula1 · 2024-09-05T00:15:43.466Z

Babies getting murdered in delivery rooms- never happens
Kids getting murdered in schools, churches, concerts- happens a lot.

Ben_Natuf · 2024-09-05T00:17:10.121Z

didn’t you just say not the navy?