Georgia mayor under fire for alleged remarks about black job candidate

WuWei · 2019-05-20T17:17:50.263Z

JayJay:

I’m sure you think so…

8th grade won’t get you out of your trap.

Snow96 · 2019-05-20T17:36:55.201Z

What? That with absolutely no evidence (in the scenario the poster described) of any racial biase, if he doesn’t get the job he will assume that’s why?

Here is the scenario the poster describes:

If I am denied a job at Google, but I suspect it was because I am black. How do I go about proving that?

Essentially, I applied for a job. I didn’t get it. I think it’s because I’m black. No evidence presented of bias, just the person saying “I suspect that’s the reason why”.

Snow96 · 2019-05-20T17:40:17.021Z

JayJay:

That was a rather large reading into the words “suspect it was because I’m black”.

Not at all. Poster didn’t say I have evidence to suspect it was because, or there is evidece to suspect it was because.

Poster just said if I suspect how do I prove it. You prove it with actuall evidence. Short of that it’s just “I didn’t get the job because I’m black”.

In the article in the OP . . . if there is monitery penalties under the law for discrimination, I would fully support the candidate to file suit against the city and if found guilty in court, the city pay the maximum fine under the law.

Snow96 · 2019-05-20T17:40:48.544Z

PurpnGold:

It’s still hard to prove unless it blatant.

That is my point.

Yup, because it would be mostly in your mind.

PurpnGold · 2019-05-20T17:50:49.777Z

Snow96:

Yup, because it would be mostly in your mind.

I am not sure how we got here… but I was only describing an example of the problems with proving that you were not hired hired due to the color of your skin. Let me break it down for you…

This specific case in the OP was blatant and provable. This guy who was discriminated against has a case and should use the full extent of the law.
Although this specific guy has a case, it is not common. The reason it is not common it is very hard to prove without knowing directly from the employer that they did not choose you due to race.

(Enter my Google Example)

It was an example, not a personal anecdote. Nor is it how I treat being rejected by a potential employer. Again, I am saying, that a private or public entity COULD tell me I am denied because I am not qualified, but in reality it was because I am black. However I would like never know unless someone exposed something stupid (like in the case of the OP).

In summary, theses cases are very hard to prove. This guy got lucky. I am rooting for him to sue the pants off of the county.

bluedogdem · 2019-05-20T18:01:32.787Z

On look facts

HBS Working Knowledge – 17 May 17

Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews

African American and Asian job applicants who mask their race on resumes seem to have better success getting job interviews, according to research by Katherine DeCelles and colleagues.

bluedogdem · 2019-05-20T18:02:18.324Z

More facts

PIX11 – 4 Sep 14

Man changes one thing on resume and gets flooded with job offers

NEW YORK (PIX11) — What’s in a name? One man said taking one letter out of his name made all the difference when it came to applying to jobs. José Zamora told BuzzFeed he would send out 50 to 100 a…

Jamerican · 2019-05-20T18:10:25.039Z

The wife started putting her middle name instead of her first name. Once she did that, the calls started coming in. It’s still bothers me that in the 21st century people still have to do this. My name is very British being that my family is from a British commonwealth country, so I’ve been lucky. However the expressions do change when a black face walk in the door, but at least I’m in the door so I can wow them with my expertise.

This is a real thing, I seen it happened plenty of times, not just with the wife, but family, friends an co-workers.

PurpnGold · 2019-05-20T18:10:38.594Z

My brother changed his name on his resume from Jamarcus to Kyle (his middle name) and reapplied to a few companies that he was previous rejected from and got interviews with all of them.

He can’t prove that they denied him because his name was “ethnic”. But it is interesting.

Jamerican · 2019-05-20T18:14:29.368Z

PurpnGold:

He can’t prove that they denied him because his name was “ethnic”. But it is interesting.

It happens way more than people think.

bluedogdem · 2019-05-20T18:18:14.156Z

I have a “white” name and I had no issues with replies to my resume. It did shock people when i walked in black dude with dreadlocks lol now I’m back to being bald

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-20T18:48:25.598Z

PurpnGold:

Snow96:

Yup, because it would be mostly in your mind.

I am not sure how we got here… but I was only describing an example of the problems with proving that you were not hired hired due to the color of your skin. Let me break it down for you…

This specific case in the OP was blatant and provable. This guy who was discriminated against has a case and should use the full extent of the law.

Although this specific guy has a case, it is not common. The reason it is not common it is very hard to prove without knowing directly from the employer that they did not choose you due to race.

(Enter my Google Example)

It was an example, not a personal anecdote. Nor is it how I treat being rejected by a potential employer. Again, I am saying, that a private or public entity COULD tell me I am denied because I am not qualified, but in reality it was because I am black. However I would like never know unless someone exposed something stupid (like in the case of the OP).

In summary, theses cases are very hard to prove. This guy got lucky. I am rooting for him to sue the pants off of the county.

It’s the exact same thing that women have had to put up with for over a 100 years.

If the employer does not want a woman working for him then he simply says nothing and doesn’t hire her.

Same with minorities.

Easy peasy.

Plasmaball · 2019-05-20T18:50:23.279Z

Had you bothered to read what he wrote that’s not what he is saying at all…

reflechissez · 2019-05-20T19:03:50.255Z

Plasmaball:

Had you bothered to read what he wrote that’s not what he is saying at all…

It’s sad when a mod does that a lot.

Snow96 · 2019-05-20T20:05:46.492Z

Yes it is.

In his statement: Applies for a job. Doesn’t get it. Suspects it’s because he’s black. How do I prove it. Laid out now evidence of than “I suspect”

PurpnGold · 2019-05-20T20:29:00.188Z

Snow96:

Yes it is.

In his statement: Applies for a job. Doesn’t get it. Suspects it’s because he’s black. How do I prove it. Laid out now evidence of than “I suspect”

Do you know what an example is? Good grief.

Plasmaball · 2019-05-20T22:58:53.517Z

Again you didnt read his explanation because whatever…

WuWei · 2019-05-20T23:47:02.337Z

bluedogdem:

On look facts

Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews - HBS Working Knowledge

those aren’t facts. Have you ever hired anyone?

WuWei · 2019-05-20T23:48:41.500Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

If the employer does not want a woman working for him then he simply says nothing and doesn’t hire her.

Wh… how…… mmmm

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-21T00:03:30.921Z

WuWei:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

If the employer does not want a woman working for him then he simply says nothing and doesn’t hire her.

Wh… how…… mmmm

Why doesn’t he just put a sign up. It seems that’s what sneaky is really cool with.