Gas prices soaring and could go even higher by spring

[tnt]

@Smyrna

I’m that too. I’m the guy that goes around and shuts off all the lights left on, verbally saying, “don’t worry, I’ve got it” for all those with in earshot. It’s my training program.

being passive aggressive isn’t a great way to train people.

[Smyrna]

@tnt

being passive aggressive isn’t a great way to train people.

I couldn’t say but…the paychecks and financial statements say what ever it is I’m doing…it’s working.

[JayJay]

@Smyrna

@PeterGriffin

I seriously have no idea why you’re so impressed with yourself. Just another wacked out conspiracy .

I enjoy teaching the upcoming generations how to do it the right way, preparing for the things that may go wrong and to help define and appreciate the truly important things in life.

Right because there’s only so many right ways to screw someone into overpaying for an extended warranty.

[Smyrna]

@JayJay

Right because there’s only so many right ways to screw someone into overpaying for an extended warranty.

I’m sorry you’ve had such bad experiences. The next time you’re in the market, PM me and I’ll show you how I do it and maybe then…you won’t be so bitter?

[zantax]

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

My argument is the opposite actually. Solar cost has come down enough that they don’t need subsidy to be competitive. Solar was always a matter of time, waiting for it to get efficient enough to make economic sense, it’s there now. Only thing we need now is better batteries and they are only a year or two away. My next roof will be a Tesla roof. Conservatives love to save money, all of them will be on board as soon as it saves them money. It was never a permanent opposition to solar.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

My argument is the opposite actually. Solar cost has come down enough that they don’t need subsidy to be competitive. Solar was always a matter of time, waiting for it to get efficient enough to make economic sense, it’s there now. Only thing we need now is better batteries and they are only a year or two away. My next roof will be a Tesla roof.

EVs will still need government investment in charging infrastructure or they will never take off.

The electric equivalent of the oil subsidies and road building investments of the 1910s-1920s that allowed the ICE car to replace steam and electric cars, which until the mid-1910s dominated the automobile market (since driving was done in the cities…there wa no infrastructure that allowed cars to go from city to city. People by and large still used trains for that).

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

My argument is the opposite actually. Solar cost has come down enough that they don’t need subsidy to be competitive. Solar was always a matter of time, waiting for it to get efficient enough to make economic sense, it’s there now. Only thing we need now is better batteries and they are only a year or two away. My next roof will be a Tesla roof.

EVs will still need government investment in charging infrastructure or they will never take off.

The electric equivalent of the oil subsidies and road building investments of the 1910s-1920s that allowed the ICE car to replace steam and electric cars, which until the mid-1910s dominated the automobile market (since driving was done in the cities…there wa no infrastructure that allowed cars to go from city to city. People by and large still used trains for that).

Not really. Have you been following battery development? How many people need to charge away from home if the range gets extended to 600 or more miles? And why would government have to build them when private businesses can do it and make a profit, that they then pay taxes on? I don’t recall government building gas stations.

[gooddad409]

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

My argument is the opposite actually. Solar cost has come down enough that they don’t need subsidy to be competitive. Solar was always a matter of time, waiting for it to get efficient enough to make economic sense, it’s there now. Only thing we need now is better batteries and they are only a year or two away. My next roof will be a Tesla roof.

EVs will still need government investment in charging infrastructure or they will never take off.

The electric equivalent of the oil subsidies and road building investments of the 1910s-1920s that allowed the ICE car to replace steam and electric cars, which until the mid-1910s dominated the automobile market (since driving was done in the cities…there wa no infrastructure that allowed cars to go from city to city. People by and large still used trains for that).

Not really. Have you been following battery development? How many people need to charge away from home if the range gets extended to 600 or more miles? And why would government have to build them when private businesses can do it and make a profit, that they then pay taxes on? I don’t recall government building gas stations.

All of them that want to take a decent trip. I wouldn’t have an EV for that reason.

Might be good for people only using them to commute to work. Being retired that doesn’t interest me either.

[zantax]

@gooddad409

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

My argument is the opposite actually. Solar cost has come down enough that they don’t need subsidy to be competitive. Solar was always a matter of time, waiting for it to get efficient enough to make economic sense, it’s there now. Only thing we need now is better batteries and they are only a year or two away. My next roof will be a Tesla roof.

EVs will still need government investment in charging infrastructure or they will never take off.

The electric equivalent of the oil subsidies and road building investments of the 1910s-1920s that allowed the ICE car to replace steam and electric cars, which until the mid-1910s dominated the automobile market (since driving was done in the cities…there wa no infrastructure that allowed cars to go from city to city. People by and large still used trains for that).

Not really. Have you been following battery development? How many people need to charge away from home if the range gets extended to 600 or more miles? And why would government have to build them when private businesses can do it and make a profit, that they then pay taxes on? I don’t recall government building gas stations.

All of them that want to take a decent trip. I wouldn’t have an EV for that reason.

Might be good for people only using them to commute to work. Being retired that doesn’t interest me either.

Stop and get lunch while you recharge. Pretty big advances for batteries in the pipeline.

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

Stop and get lunch while you recharge. Pretty big advances for batteries in the pipeline.

One key benefit, that usually wouldn’t be seen as one, is slowing down your life a little bit while you charge. Tesla places most of their chargers in busy locations and it’s easy to keep occupied for 20 mins.

I enjoy that more than I thought I would.

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@zantax

Stop and get lunch while you recharge. Pretty big advances for batteries in the pipeline.

One key benefit, that usually wouldn’t be seen as one, is slowing down your life a little bit while you charge. Tesla places most of their chargers in busy locations and it’s easy to keep occupied for 20 mins.

I enjoy that more than I thought I would.

If you get 600 mile range, you are going to need to eat by the time you need that charge.

[gooddad409]

@zantax

@gooddad409

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

I’ve noticed that Americans accept pretty much everything else will go up in price over time. Gas? No. It should remain the same price it was 30 years ago as they complain about prices creeping over $2/gal.

Give me a break!

People tend to do that with necessities. And governments tend to respond to it with subsidies. Because politicians like to get re-elected.

At least there’s a small admission that government has interfered with the energy markets and maybe we’ll stop seeing claims renewables can’t compete in the “free market” for energy because they’re “too expensive” and “must be subsidized”.

We don’t have a free market for energy, so such statements are meaningless.

My argument is the opposite actually. Solar cost has come down enough that they don’t need subsidy to be competitive. Solar was always a matter of time, waiting for it to get efficient enough to make economic sense, it’s there now. Only thing we need now is better batteries and they are only a year or two away. My next roof will be a Tesla roof.

EVs will still need government investment in charging infrastructure or they will never take off.

The electric equivalent of the oil subsidies and road building investments of the 1910s-1920s that allowed the ICE car to replace steam and electric cars, which until the mid-1910s dominated the automobile market (since driving was done in the cities…there wa no infrastructure that allowed cars to go from city to city. People by and large still used trains for that).

Not really. Have you been following battery development? How many people need to charge away from home if the range gets extended to 600 or more miles? And why would government have to build them when private businesses can do it and make a profit, that they then pay taxes on? I don’t recall government building gas stations.

All of them that want to take a decent trip. I wouldn’t have an EV for that reason.

Might be good for people only using them to commute to work. Being retired that doesn’t interest me either.

Stop and get lunch while you recharge. Pretty big advances for batteries in the pipeline.

No thanks. We have driven to California(wife has some relatives out there) a few times and there’s no way i would make that many charge stops.

Plus many of the areas between here and there don’t seem to have any charging stations.

I would go with a hybrid before a EV and i wouldn’t have one of those either because they are too small to suit me plus not enough power.

I’m just going to stay with my full size Buick.

[zantax]

I just don’t see any reason there won’t be plenty of charging stations, you can make a profit on them, so they will be built. And of course you can keep your Buick. But I will get a new Ev with adaptive cruise control and lane centering, and let my car do the driving on long trips when it comes time to do the travel the country thing.

[JayJay]

Electric charging infrastructure is a HUGE expenditure…and no, private businesses cannot do it and make a profit.

Tesla is one example. Tesla has one of the best developed charging networks in the country.

In order to increase it to meet the needs of projected growth in Tesla sales, they would have to spend the equivalent of many multiples of all the revenues they have generated from auto sales TO DATE.

We are talking billions and billions in investment…plus we need a common standard. Right now there’s Tesla’s proprietary standard, J1772, CCS and ChadeMo. This is like the Tesla/Edison war over AC v DC that actually hindered the wide scale adoption of electricity in the US for decades.

[JayJay]

@zantax

I just don’t see any reason there won’t be plenty of charging stations, you can make a profit on them, so they will be built.

No you can’t make a profit from them without charging obscene rates.

[gooddad409]

@zantax

I just don’t see any reason there won’t be plenty of charging stations, you can make a profit on them, so they will be built.

Maybe in the future there will be. I have no interest in them(EV’s) for a variety of reasons.

[zantax]

Agree on standardization but still no reason for government to build them, they can be profitable and business can build them and pay taxes on the profit .

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

I just don’t see any reason there won’t be plenty of charging stations, you can make a profit on them, so they will be built.

No you can’t make a profit from them without charging obscene rates.

Don’t see how that is possible, gas pumps are profitable and more costly to build and operate. Extracting the same profit from them wouldn’t require obscene rates. And you don’t have to worry about the electric tank getting a leak that requires costly clean up.