Gas prices in Haiti cause riots

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:30:31.409Z

WildRose:

You got the response your post deserved and you are once again making things up because the facts will not support your arguments.

Market forces trump politics, and these forces have enormous momentum: Cheap natural gas is likely to remain cheap for the foreseeable future, and fast-rising renewable energy — even without subsidies — will continue to beat coal.

Electric utilities themselves, as Moody’s Investor’s Services recently noted, are realizing that they can profit by building renewable generation and adding that capacity to their rate bases, a strategic move that freezes out coal producers. Moody’s has also published investor guidance showing how the fast-growing American wind industry puts coal-fired “at risk,” and at IEEFA we have found a similar narrative in our research.

The Hill – 13 Oct 17

Coal is dying — EPA’s Clean Power Plan reversal can’t save it

Market forces trump politics. Scott Pruitt’s action isn’t going to do much for the coal sector itself.

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:31:46.732Z

WildRose:

Cutting and pasting an article without comment is not an argument, it is surrender.

I posted facts showing you that coal is dying because of the free market, and Trump is trying to save it because the free market is nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan to him and his supporters.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T15:32:39.304Z

Hogwash. Those providers had to build new plants to meet the new regulations put in place under the last administration.

Once those plants were built and the supply infrastructure built to supply them they have to go online or face hundreds of billions in losses.

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:34:07.125Z

We’ll see. Trump will try to save it, or at least he’ll claim to, but I expect that the free market will kill coal.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T15:34:40.241Z

Oryx:

WildRose:

Cutting and pasting an article without comment is not an argument, it is surrender.

I posted facts showing you that coal is dying because of the free market, and Trump is trying to save it because the free market is nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan to him and his supporters.

You did nothing of the kind. Coal production is up and so are jobs in the coal industry.

Utility Dive

EIA: Coal production increases will continue through 2018

Coal production in August was 8% higher than the same time in 2016. Year-over-year increases are expected this year and next.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T15:35:04.928Z

Oryx:

We’ll see. Trump will try to save it, or at least he’ll claim to, but I expect that the free market will kill coal.

There is no free market, the gov’t eliminated it.

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:35:40.022Z

WildRose:

There is no free market, the gov’t eliminated it.

Exactly my point! Thank you. Republicans have abandoned their principles for this president.

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:36:24.136Z

WildRose:

You did nothing of the kind. Coal production is up and so are jobs in the coal industry.

A short-term reaction to Trump’s disastrous policies. We’re talking about long-term trends here.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T15:37:13.002Z

Oryx:

WildRose:

There is no free market, the gov’t eliminated it.

Exactly my point! Thank you. Republicans have abandoned their principles for this president.

This is perhaps the most pathetic argument I’ve seen anyone other than Mobulis try to make in years.

Obama vowed to kill the coal industry before he was even elected and spent 8 years doing everything he could to accomplish it.

History didn’t begin in January of last year.

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:38:23.723Z

WildRose:

Obama vowed to kill the coal industry before he was even elected and spent 8 years doing everything he could to accomplish it.

History didn’t begin in January of last year.

Yes, I disagreed with Obama’s interference in the coal industry, one of several reasons I didn’t vote for him. Now Trump is doing the same.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T15:39:55.477Z

Oryx:

WildRose:

Obama vowed to kill the coal industry before he was even elected and spent 8 years doing everything he could to accomplish it.

History didn’t begin in January of last year.

Yes, I disagreed with Obama’s interference in the coal industry, one of several reasons I didn’t vote for him. Now Trump is doing the same.

Obama killed the free market but somehow it’s Trump’s fault? Hell of a job! Do you twist pretzels for a living?

Oryx · 2018-07-13T15:41:19.407Z

WildRose:

Obama killed the free market but somehow it’s Trump’s fault? Hell of a job! Do you twist pretzels for a living?

Your partisan blinders are getting in the way here. I disagree with the policies of BOTH presidents. But Trump is president now, so arguing about Obama seems pointless.

reflechissez · 2018-07-13T15:47:06.036Z

WildRose:

The coal industry is in the trouble it’s in specifically because the last administration tried to kill it via regulation

You actually believe this, even though coal mining jobs having been declining for decades.

reflechissez · 2018-07-13T15:50:13.554Z

WildRose:

Hogwash. Those providers had to build new plants to meet the new regulations put in place under the last administration.

Once those plants were built and the supply infrastructure built to supply them they have to go online or face hundreds of billions in losses.

Scientific American

Will the U.S. Ever Build Another Big Coal Plant?

The coal industry is contracting as plants retire and utilities replace them with natural gas and renewables

“The federal government counts four new coal projects on a list of planned power plants nationwide. Three of those face long odds, and none will be able to replace the millions of tons in lost coal demand resulting from recent retirements, even as the Trump administration has vowed to revive the ailing industry.”

WildRose · 2018-07-13T18:26:21.033Z

We’ve already been over this and you know that in fact coal mining jobs had been on the increase since about 2004 throughout most of the Obama administration until his new regulations finally began taking their toll.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T18:27:31.386Z

Try posting something that actually doesn’t support what i stated in the post you quoted. It would be less embarrassing for you.

reflechissez · 2018-07-13T18:50:32.553Z

WildRose:

Try posting something that actually doesn’t support what i stated in the post you quoted. It would be less embarrassing for you.

You’re wrong again. Just admit it.

WildRose · 2018-07-13T18:52:18.382Z

Wrong? Where did I state that there were new coal fired plants popping up?

JayJay · 2018-07-13T19:01:38.782Z

Why are you bragging about being able to walk right in to the most inefficient and most expensive way to get urgent care?

JayJay · 2018-07-13T19:10:40.224Z

Has zip to do with a war on coal.

Has everything to do with gas being a more attractive option because of fracking.

Trump has no clue about these industries, thinking as usual that solar is the the threat, and therefore slapping tariffs on solar panels (talk about a war on an industry!)

Fortune

Coal Mining Jobs Grew in Trump’s First Year in Office—But Here’s Why That...

President Donald Trump has pointed to an increase in "clean coal" mining jobs in his first year. He's celebrating too soon.