Full pardon for Flynn may be imminent

Borgia_dude · 2020-11-28T16:25:19.634Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

Ben_Natuf:

undercover? one of the groups members came forward and reported it. there was no undercover investigation being conducted. not to mention the gulf of difference between an undercover operation and being lied to while being officially questioned.

Hmm, I thought the person was wearing a wire. Ohh well, it is besides the point as all undercover operations rely on lying to some degree, right?

“Besides the point”? It was your whole point.

Weird. You think my point relies on one example (when we all know that undercover cops lie all the time)? Do you really need an example?

WuWei · 2020-11-28T16:26:22.511Z

If you’re so worried about “undercover” (I doubt it happens as often as tv claims), simple solution - we can lie to them unless under oath duly administered in a court.

WuWei · 2020-11-28T16:27:18.261Z

Borgia_dude:

Weird. You think my point relies on one example (when we all know that undercover cops lie all the time)? Do you really need an example?

Is it against the law to lie to an “undercover cop”? Even an FBI Agent?

I’ll help you - no it is not. Why? Because you can’t be charged with lying to cops unless you know they are cops.

We are not talking about “undercover”. You have digressed into irrelevancy.

The FBI was not “undercover” when they were questioning Flynn.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-11-28T16:28:35.995Z

no, you attempted dishonestly to portray my posts as saying something i did not say by taking things out of the context they were offered in.

The jury convicted Barry on one count of possession of cocaine and acquitted him on another count of possession. The jury hung 6-6 and 7-5 on the three felony perjury charges.

no dc jury will ever convict any high profile democrat of any of these process crimes. thanks for proving my point.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=137720

FreeAndClear · 2020-11-28T16:31:05.009Z

Ben_Natuf:

no, you attempted dishonestly to portray my posts as saying something i did not say by taking things out of the context they were offered in.

The jury convicted Barry on one count of possession of cocaine and acquitted him on another count of possession. The jury hung 6-6 and 7-5 on the three felony perjury charges.

no dc jury will ever convict any high profile democrat of any of these process crimes. thanks for proving my point.

Jury Nullification, or Prejudice and Ignorance in the Marion Barry Trial | Office of Justice Programs

“Why they don’t bring charges”

They bring charges. Process charges at that

You are welcome.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-11-28T16:34:55.919Z

and got no conviction.

please, provide an example of one single democrat facing these process crime charges in dc since then.

prosecutors know its a non-starter. no high profile democrat will ever be convicted of these process crimes by a dc jury.

good luck.

Borgia_dude · 2020-11-28T16:37:26.342Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

Weird. You think my point relies on one example (when we all know that undercover cops lie all the time)? Do you really need an example?

Is it against the law to lie to an “undercover cop”? Even an FBI Agent?

I’ll help you - no it is not. Why? Because you can’t be charged with lying to cops unless you know they are cops.

Agreed. I’m not the one who brought up cops shouldn’t be able to lie.

We are not talking about “undercover”. You have digressed into irrelevancy.

The FBI was not “undercover” when they were questioning Flynn.

Ben said cops should not be able to lie which you echoed. I’m merely following up on that thought.

Should undercover cops be able to lie?

WuWei · 2020-11-28T16:38:52.662Z

Borgia_dude:

Agreed. I’m not the one who brought up cops shouldn’t be able to lie.

Look at it again.

Borgia_dude:

Ben said cops should not be able to lie which you echoed. I’m merely following up on that thought.

Should undercover cops be able to lie?

Only if we can lie to them. One set of rules.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-11-28T16:42:19.400Z

wrong. i said they lie to us and criminals lie to cops all the time. far as i know no-one has been charged with lying to cops (which is distinct and different that obstruction). the fbi is not “cops”. i do understand how it may have been taken that way, i should have clarified that. also, i an distinctly talking about under questioning when you know you are being questioned.

Borgia_dude · 2020-11-28T16:47:11.943Z

Ben_Natuf:

wrong. i said they lie to us and criminals lie to cops all the time. far as i know no-one has been charged with lying to cops (which is distinct and different that obstruction). the fbi is not “cops”. i do understand how it may have been taken that way, i should have clarified that. also, i an distinctly talking about under questioning when you know you are being questioned.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I would agree you don’t need to help the authorities build their case and that is why you can refuse to speak. Lying under questioning is wrong, imo, and should be punishable.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-11-28T16:49:13.439Z

it should be for them too. so long as they can lie to you, lying back should not be illegal.

FreeAndClear · 2020-11-28T16:51:58.489Z

Ben_Natuf:

and got no conviction.

please, provide an example of one single democrat facing these process crime charges in dc since then.

prosecutors know its a non-starter. no high profile democrat will ever be convicted of these process crimes by a dc jury.

good luck.

I took the time to look some up. Found a bunch of Democrats indicted on federal charges. William Jefferson was the closest to dc but was in Virginia. I’ll keep looking but this all so very silly. Charges against democrats are brought all the time.

One of the biggest reasons why i am having issues finding them is because they are often brought where the process crime was committed.

WuWei · 2020-11-28T16:54:18.862Z

Borgia_dude:

Agreed. I’m not the one who brought up cops shouldn’t be able to lie.

You are the one who completely changed the context and constructed a new narrative by arguing to absurdity.

Borgia_dude:

Ben said cops should not be able to lie which you echoed. I’m merely following up on that thought.

Should undercover cops be able to lie?

Legalize marijuana or give fentynal in schools?

Is it illegal to lie to an undercover cops?

Ben_Natuf · 2020-11-28T16:54:24.028Z

you won’t find any in dc, which is where the charges would be bought. prosecutors know its a non-starter and career ender.

Borgia_dude · 2020-11-28T16:58:25.619Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

Agreed. I’m not the one who brought up cops shouldn’t be able to lie.

You are the one who completely changed the context and constructed a new narrative by arguing to absurdity.

Imo, I saw a rather absurd lute statement and tested it.

Borgia_dude:

Ben said cops should not be able to lie which you echoed. I’m merely following up on that thought.

Should undercover cops be able to lie?

Legalize marijuana or give fentynal in schools?

Is it illegal to lie to an undercover cops?
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No. Nor is illegal for undercover cops to lie to you. It seems you think they shouldn’t be able to. Regardless, it seems beyond the scope of the conversation here.

TommyLucchese · 2020-11-28T17:00:03.190Z

No one is discriminated against in American society except old conservative white guys, especially if they’re rich.

WuWei · 2020-11-28T17:01:56.137Z

Borgia_dude:

Imo, I saw a rather absurd lute statement and tested it.

Nah, you constructed a new narrative based on hate of a man.

By your own admission:

Regardless, it seems beyond the scope of the conversation here.

WuWei · 2020-11-28T17:03:25.176Z

TommyLucchese:

No one is discriminated against in American society except old conservative white guys, especially if they’re rich.

Great post. Thanks.

TommyLucchese · 2020-11-28T17:03:41.193Z

WuWei:

Great post. Thanks.

You’re welcome.

WuWei · 2020-11-28T17:15:53.445Z

TommyLucchese:

WuWei:

Great post. Thanks.

You’re welcome.

Always good to have the feminist point of view. Diversity is good.