Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

[SixFoot]

@Safiel

@SixFoot

Life is cheap to those who don’t know what a soul is.

Well, I do know that various Christian scholars, Jewish scholars, Islamic scholars and other religious scholars, both historical and contemporary, vary tremendously in when ensoulment occurs.

Some believe in ensoulment at conception, some at 40 days, some at quickening, some at birth and even some post birth.

For the those that believe in ensoulment at quickening, it kind of moots the whole “murder” argument, as there is no human to murder prior to ensoulment.

The DNA is … … …

[rp5x5]

@Safiel

@SixFoot

Life is cheap to those who don’t know what a soul is.

Well, I do know that various Christian scholars, Jewish scholars, Islamic scholars and other religious scholars, both historical and contemporary, vary tremendously in when ensoulment occurs.

Some believe in ensoulment at conception, some at 40 days, some at quickening, some at birth and even some post birth.

For the those that believe in ensoulment at quickening, it kind of moots the whole “murder” argument, as there is no human to murder prior to ensoulment.

Without knowing how that really works, it is just splitting in the eye of the workings of Cosmic Supreme Law to interfere with the most integral process of life and the driving force behind transmigration of each packet of causal components of temporary individuation of precious beings seeking rebirth to certain parents. Don’t interfere ok? It’s always there.

[e7alr]

It sounds like the real concern is a court declaring that an human embryo is a human child. If an frozen embryo is a child, then wouldn’t that make an embryo growing in it’s mothers womb a human child also?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@toreyj01

@Guvnah

@toreyj01

IVF is extremely expensive in the US, less so in Germany.

That placed a dollar value on a human life.

It commoditizes the ownership of a child.

You may think there is no problem with that. Others consider it sinister.

No, it is just what a couple can afford to pay. If they can’t afford it in a red state, they go without children. If they live in a blue state, they can afford IVF and have children. No sweat off my back, not a huge fan of IVF for most couples.

Besides, shouldn’t Red Staters be adopting all of the pregnancies they forced? I mean, when you get to it, it’s downright immoral for them to IVF. Good thing the nanny state will be there to shore up their resolve.

[PurpnGold]

@e7alr

It sounds like the real concern is a court declaring that an human embryo is a human child. If a frozen embryo is a child, then wouldn’t that make an embryo growing in it’s mothers womb a human child also?

Yep and that would pose some interesting legal questions.

[Guvnah]

@PurpnGold

It costs money to deliver a child. It cost money to adopt a child. In the case of IVF it cost money to conceive a child.

Well isn’t that a nice Captain Obvious statement.

Clearly you were unable to grasp what was said.

Go pester someone else.

[PurpnGold]

@Guvnah

@PurpnGold

It costs money to deliver a child. It cost money to adopt a child. In the case of IVF it cost money to conceive a child.

Well isn’t that a nice Captain Obvious statement.

Clearly you were unable to grasp what was said.

Go pester someone else.

There literally is a dollar value placed on human life.

[Guvnah]

@PurpnGold

There literally is a dollar value placed on human life.

Strop adding to your library of stupid posts.

[e7alr]

@PurpnGold

@e7alr

It sounds like the real concern is a court declaring that an human embryo is a human child. If a frozen embryo is a child, then wouldn’t that make an embryo growing in it’s mothers womb a human child also?

Yep and that would pose some interesting legal questions.

In essence it establishes personhood for human embryos. And personhood triggers all sorts of protections for the individual person under state and federal law.

[GWH]

The wandering patient should face manslaughter charges.

[tnt]

@e7alr

@PurpnGold

@e7alr

It sounds like the real concern is a court declaring that an human embryo is a human child. If a frozen embryo is a child, then wouldn’t that make an embryo growing in it’s mothers womb a human child also?

Yep and that would pose some interesting legal questions.

In essence it establishes personhood for human embryos. And personhood triggers all sorts of protections for the individual person under state and federal law.

Can you apply for state aid because your IVF embryo is a dependant?

[Zippy]

@tnt

Can you apply for state aid because your IVF embryo is a dependant?

Leave it to a leftist to try and figure out a way to live off the taxpayers dime from this.

[tnt]

Does anyone know where in the decision the biblical quote is used? Want to read that section.

[tnt]

@Zippy

@tnt

Can you apply for state aid because your IVF embryo is a dependant?

Leave it to a leftist to try and figure out a way to live off the taxpayers dime from this.

Just pointing out the complexities of this ruling.

[Sknyluv]

@tnt

Just pointing out the complexities of this ruling.

The embryos should have social security cards.

[PurpnGold]

@Sknyluv

@tnt

Just pointing out the complexities of this ruling.

The embryos should have social security cards.

You should then be able to claim embryos as dependents on your taxes.

Child support should start the minute that embryo is created.

[Zippy]

@PurpnGold

You should then be able to claim embryos as dependents on your taxes.

Child support should start the minute that embryo is created.

And another leftist opines on how they can use this to line their pockets.

What is it with leftists. Always looking for another way to mooch off of the taxpayers.

[e7alr]

This had the potential to be an interesting point of discussion, then et all couldn’t resist the urge to turn down the pathway of the obtuse.

[PurpnGold]

@e7alr

This had the potential to be an interesting point of discussion, then et all couldn’t resist the urge to turn down the pathway of the obtuse.

Those are actual questions that need to be answered if an embryo is a “person”. It’s not obtuse.

[SixFoot]

@e7alr

It sounds like the real concern is a court declaring that an human embryo is a human child. If an frozen embryo is a child, then wouldn’t that make an embryo growing in it’s mothers womb a human child also?

Yep, it’s all human DNA - in spite of its location - and its only function is to become a larger human life.