Freedom Exemplified

Toll_Collector · 2021-07-25T19:02:42.446Z

tnt:

I think it does.

If jump ing off a building is not a crime, LEO would not be empowered to try to stop jumpers.

Would you rather they didn’t try?

Stop. LEO will always try to stop a jumper regardless of the law. I am a toll collector and I worked in the shadow of the Goethals bridge into NY for many years. Law enforcement will always try to talk someone from committing suicide. Doesn’t matter the situation. They’ll shut everything down and back that up for 6 hours to my extreme delight.

WuWei · 2021-07-25T19:07:00.897Z

I think saying “according to you this or that is ok” is incorrect.

“Ok” is a value judgment.

When does it become res publica? Society’s business? When do you get to make my business yours?

WuWei · 2021-07-25T19:08:26.392Z

Toll_Collector:

They’ll shut everything down and back that up for 6 hours to my extreme delight.

Interesting. Do they have the “right” to inconvenience me and interrupt my right to freely travel the public thoroughfare?

WuWei · 2021-07-25T19:10:15.417Z

tnt:

Would you rather they didn’t try?

Why not?

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-25T19:10:49.711Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Still misappropriating the term prior restraint I see.

How so?

Supreme_War_Pig:

And of course not. But that is also irrelevant. Much like firing a round into a crowd, but not hurting anybody, drunk driving should also be okay. According to the logic if this thread, anyway.

According to you it is ok, 0.08.

You asked what the limit is, and in most states it’s 0.08. Besides, that’s irrelevant. As long as I don’t have ill intent, and nobody gets hurt, it should be okay, right?

WuWei · 2021-07-25T19:12:07.226Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

You asked what the limit is, and in most states it’s 0.08. Besides, that’s irrelevant. As long as I don’t have ill intent, and nobody gets hurt, it should be okay, right?

How is it irrelevant? And if you are under the limit and somebody gets hurt?

Yeah, should be ok. Nobody got hurt.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-25T19:16:08.543Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

DUI is fine as long as nobody gets hurt, right?

.08 apparently. 1 shot of Tequila an hour.

You seem to be getting off track here. .08 is what most states call too drunk to drive.

Which is wrong, because it limits your freedom to drive while drinking, so long as you don’t have I’ll intent and nobody gets hurt.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-25T19:18:24.401Z

WuWei:

PurpnGold:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Drunk driving. I don’t intend to hurt anybody else, and do long as I don’t, I should be allowed to drive drunk.

Gimme some of that sweet, sweet exemplary freedom.

According to freedom at all costs cons… you should be able to drive drunk… no punishment until you hit someone. You can even damage public property and be ok.

I love this

If you hit someone, did you break a harm law? If you damage public property, did you break a harm law?

If you drive drunk 0.09 all the way home without doing either, did you cause harm?

Yes, yes, and no. Ergo, driving drunk is okay, so long as nobody gets hurt. AND, you must not have bad intent.

conan · 2021-07-25T19:21:31.731Z

Maybe this meme is better fitting here.

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Jezcoe · 2021-07-25T19:24:03.967Z

conan:

Are you saying later term babies aren’t fully formed babies?

Is this where we all pretend that late term abortions are done for convenience and not because of personal tragedy?

Is this where we all do that for CHECKMATE LIBS!!!

Jezcoe · 2021-07-25T19:24:51.692Z

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

But what I have learned.

I can take actions without regard to other human’s life and as long as no one gets hurt it is FREEDOM.

By George… I think you’ve got it!

Sounds like we can get rid of a lot of laws. DUI is fine as long as nobody gets hurt, right?

What is “Attempted murder” anyway?

Jezcoe · 2021-07-25T19:28:50.841Z

Toll_Collector:

tnt:

I think it does.

If jump ing off a building is not a crime, LEO would not be empowered to try to stop jumpers.

Would you rather they didn’t try?

Stop. LEO will always try to stop a jumper regardless of the law. I am a toll collector and I worked in the shadow of the Goethals bridge into NY for many years. Law enforcement will always try to talk someone from committing suicide. Doesn’t matter the situation. They’ll shut everything down and back that up for 6 hours to my extreme delight.

Why would they infringe on everyone’s freedom?

The ultimate freedom to jump and the freedom to travel freely.

I say that the police shouldn’t do anything because FREEDOM!!!

Jezcoe · 2021-07-25T19:35:38.760Z

WuWei:

Toll_Collector:

They’ll shut everything down and back that up for 6 hours to my extreme delight.

Interesting. Do they have the “right” to inconvenience me and interrupt my right to freely travel the public thoroughfare?

Wow. When I said it I was kidding.

PurpnGold · 2021-07-25T19:37:26.681Z

conan:

Are you saying later term babies aren’t fully formed babies?

Here come the extreme examples

Called it

WuWei · 2021-07-25T19:39:59.815Z

Jezcoe:

Go back.

That has been said the entire time.

“Towards”

“Into”

WuWei · 2021-07-25T19:44:06.233Z

Jezcoe:

Is this where we all pretend that late term abortions are done for convenience and not because of personal tragedy?

Now intent matters?

conan · 2021-07-25T19:48:42.206Z

I’m thinking what if she had landed on Trump supporter. Would libs take a different view?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jezcoe · 2021-07-25T19:54:39.974Z

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

Go back.

That has been said the entire time.

“Towards”

“Into”

Ahhh now we are into the semantics part of the thread.

Joyous!

PurpnGold · 2021-07-25T20:01:18.422Z

conan:

Inquiring minds want to know.

Nobody, except you, wants to know that

JayJay · 2021-07-25T20:08:52.597Z

Why yes?

If I bought the puppies because I want to pitch them over the roof of a building, it’s my money that bought my puppies.

I don’t need to suffer any consequences for doing what I wanted with my property to make it “OK” to pitch my property over the side.