FOXNews: Judge rules New York City bar can refuse service to Trump supporter wearing MAGA hat

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-04-27T12:47:59.373Z

you think support for America is a political belief?

oh… wait… yeah maybe so.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-04-27T12:51:01.586Z

Gaius:

right by ‘mandating gay marriage’ you THOUGHT I meant mandating that gay people marry.

You DIDN’T think I meant mandating that gov and nongov instutions not discriminate , bake their cakes, serve them beer regardless what their hat say. etc.etc. (rolleyes)

They were your words, not mine. And I sought clarification, rather than immediately assume. It’s all fine though my friend. Let it be done and we can move on.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-04-27T13:28:49.185Z

Gaius:

right by ‘mandating gay marriage’ you THOUGHT I meant mandating that gay people marry.

You DIDN’T think I meant mandating that gov and nongov instutions not discriminate , bake their cakes, serve them beer regardless what their hat say. etc.etc. (rolleyes)

there are some literalists here.

Like use the phrase “pony up” and they are sniffing the air for horse poop.

FlyAway · 2018-04-27T13:32:21.713Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

you think support for America is a political belief?

oh… wait… yeah maybe so.

thanks for derping by.

WuWei · 2018-04-27T13:38:21.754Z

CanadianJudo:

is anyone really free if we can’t discriminate our fellow other citizens.

No…

WuWei · 2018-04-27T13:39:11.572Z

Auto129:

Then you go to court, and the judge sees through that nonsense. Like they did here. Conservative isn’t a protected class.

“Class”. Interesting word.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-04-27T13:39:55.294Z

Gaius:

I agree with this ruling.
I don’t know all the details. I think it’s outrageous that it happened, but, I agree with the ruling.

Judge rules New York City bar can refuse service to Trump supporter wearing MAGA hat | Fox News

Ok so if a Bar owner sees a person wearing a Black Power or Black Lives Matter T-shirt can the Bar owner refuse to give service to the person because of the shirt?
How much you bet it would turn into Race issue over the T-shirt in that situation.

I agree with the Ruling but i don’t think it would be held equally to all.

PurpnGold · 2018-04-27T13:51:25.678Z

Those would be shirt empowering a protected class of people. Why would that be the same as wearing a MAGA hat or t-shirt?

ZeroBravoPorkchop · 2018-04-27T13:51:49.882Z

Fair enuff and I agree. Court got it right.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-04-27T13:55:56.750Z

It is the same, because the Bar Owner is not removing them from the bar because they are Black but because of the shirt they are wearing. Which is basically the same as the MAGA hat they asked them to leave because of the article of clothing.

But as i said people would view the situation as i pointed out as racists. Like you did and not the same.

Gaius · 2018-04-27T14:02:11.712Z

WildRose:

I’ll ask you again, “what does the first amendment say” on the subject of religion?

It says
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

Thus Congress cannot deny funds to, nor grant special tax status or other privileges to religions.

Slap together a set of beliefs and call it a religion, and Congress cannot recognize the fact that you call it a religion.

The 14th Amendment
“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States…”

Extends that to states as well as the municipalities and school districts they create.

Sadly,
many have decided to mentally rewrite the first amendment a “Congress shall not create an official national religion.”

It does not read that. It does not imply that. Of course to establish a state religion Congress would first need to recognize nice that a collection of beliefs has been established as a religion so “cannot establish an official state religion” is part of what it means, but that is a small part. It goes much further.

PurpnGold · 2018-04-27T14:03:11.327Z

Help me understand…how is MAGA…which is a political slogan about a non-protected class (unless America is a protected class) the same as Black Lives Matter…which is a political statement about empowering a protected class of people?

Illegal_Alien · 2018-04-27T14:19:02.849Z

Black Lives Matter T-shirt is a Political Slogan END of statement. Doesn’t matter if the Black people can not be discriminated against for skin color. The would be removed for the SHIRT if they didn’t wear the shirt they wouldn’t be removed.
If a Black person wore a MAGA hat or a Confederate flag shirt do you think they could be denied service because of the hat or shirt it wouldn’t be seen as racists.
But once you put on a Shirt like Black Lives Matter then they can not be removed?
What about the places that refuse to server officers while in uniform? They have every right too refuse service.

You are the issue you seeing Black Lives Matter linked to Race only and not just a slogan on a T-shirt that can instigate issues in an establishment.

Drawz · 2018-04-27T14:24:55.263Z

Illegal_Alien:

Gaius:

I agree with this ruling.
I don’t know all the details. I think it’s outrageous that it happened, but, I agree with the ruling.

Judge rules New York City bar can refuse service to Trump supporter wearing MAGA hat | Fox News

Ok so if a Bar owner sees a person wearing a Black Power or Black Lives Matter T-shirt can the Bar owner refuse to give service to the person because of the shirt?
How much you bet it would turn into Race issue over the T-shirt in that situation.

I agree with the Ruling but i don’t think it would be held equally to all.

Seems like he could.

I’m certain that it would, and that would be at least as credible as this guy’s religion argument.

Maybe, maybe not. The negative publicity would be far worse, of that I’m certain.

PurpnGold · 2018-04-27T14:25:14.488Z

You are not making sense…

Black Live Matter is linked to race. The sole reason the slogan exists is because of mistreatment of black people by police. You still haven’t explained how that slogan is the same as MAGA?

Seems you may have a problem with people wearing shorts that empower a protected class of people. The fact that someone takes offense to that says more about that person than it does about the person wearing it.

Drawz · 2018-04-27T14:30:40.852Z

PurpnGold:

You are not making sense…

Black Live Matter is linked to race. The sole reason the slogan exists is because of mistreatment of black people by police. You still haven’t explained how that slogan is the same as MAGA?

Seems you may have a problem with people wearing shorts that empower a protected class of people. The fact that someone takes offense to that says more about that person than it does about the person wearing it.

He is making sense, MAGA is a political slogan, BLM is a political slogan. For the purpose of his hypothetical, the roots of the political slogan are irrelevant.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-04-27T14:33:40.340Z

PurpnGold:

may have a problem with people wearing shorts that empower a protected class of

PurpnGold:

You are not making sense…

Black Live Matter is linked to race. The sole reason the slogan exists is because of mistreatment of black people by police. You still haven’t explained how that slogan is the same as MAGA?

Seems you may have a problem with people wearing shorts that empower a protected class of people. The fact that someone takes offense to that says more about that person than it does about the person wearing it.

Because you don’t understand the CASE and why the judges ruling was ok.
It had nothing to do with the actual person it was what they were wearing.

It isn’t that hard to understand.
Black Lives Matter shirt is not a PROTECTED SLOGAN OR CLASS just as MAGA isn’t.
A Bar owner can find Black Lives Matter T-shirt offensive and refuse service to anyone wearing one. Just as they can refuse service of people in uniforms or carrying firearms.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-04-27T14:34:49.240Z

Drawz:

PurpnGold:

You are not making sense…

Black Live Matter is linked to race. The sole reason the slogan exists is because of mistreatment of black people by police. You still haven’t explained how that slogan is the same as MAGA?

Seems you may have a problem with people wearing shorts that empower a protected class of people. The fact that someone takes offense to that says more about that person than it does about the person wearing it.

He is making sense, MAGA is a political slogan, BLM is a political slogan. For the purpose of his hypothetical, the roots of the political slogan are irrelevant.

Thank you.
And it is Hypothetical of course . But i think PurpnGold is basically proving my Hypothetical that it would be seen as racial.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-04-27T14:53:07.400Z

CanadianJudo:

is anyone really free if we can’t discriminate our fellow other citizens.

What’s really messed up is that our federal government had to actually get involved and tell our own citizens that the black guy could marry the blond, that gay people could marry, or that the black grandmother could grab a drink of water out of a water fountain. That’s pathetic.

PurpnGold · 2018-04-27T14:54:53.782Z

I think I may have mixed up my rebuttal. You made a statement that it would be seen as racist to remove someone from your place of business because they are wearing a BLM shirt. My response is it absolutely will be seen as racist and discriminatory in the public eye.

Legally it could as be seen as discriminatory, one would at least have a better argument for that rather than wearing a MAGA hat.