FoxNews appears to have jumped on the politically correct bandwagon by banning McInerney for stating a fact.
JWK
FoxNews appears to have jumped on the politically correct bandwagon by banning McInerney for stating a fact.
JWK
If it tales waterboarding or worse torture to save one of your own family members and there is a time deadline. What do you do?
So I can accurately play out this straw man, what am I wearing in this scenario? Formal wear, leathers?
You are wearing a straw skirt and coconut shells. I don’t care.
What do you do?
Leftists don’t have families or loved ones?
Which family member? What are they wearing? We need to get these details right or else I can’t take your hypothetical seriously.
Your beloved mother who works as a Scarecrow in a straw suit.
Would you save your mother?
Or do you think defending family and your country in the extreme circumstances of a terrorist or criminal kidnapping should be illegal?
Extreme circumstances happen more and more these days.
Your beloved mother who works as a Scarecrow in a straw suit.
Would you save your mother?
Or do you think defending family and your country in the extreme circumstances of a terrorist or criminal kidnapping should be illegal?
Extreme circumstances happen more and more these days.
My mother is dead already, so can we pick a different family member.
And wait, am I defending a family member or my country? Please clarify and update the parameters.
An IGNORE Function Is needed on this Forum, dominated by leftist trolls and bots.
There are REAL things like minded Trump supporters and Hannity admirers could be talking about on this forum.
Maybe I should stop wasting my time and return when the forum has an IGNORE function and ability to detect returning trolls.
What kind of real things would you like to debate?
What kind of real things would you like to debate?
Did you miss the title of the thread?
JWK
The unavoidable truth is, our democrat party leader’s plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.
Did North Vietnam’s use of torture against John McCain break him?
I think if anyone is tortured long enough they will break. I’d assume the most brutal torture was used by the North Vietnamese against McCain.
That’s what we were debating. Our discussion was on topic until he started complaining.
Since Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney is a 35 year decorated veteran of military service there could be some truth to the “songbird” comment that is insider, as within the military community, information. I don’t think Charles or Fox News should have been so quick to apologize and instead maybe pressed the General for further clarification. JMO
Odd…I spent my career in the military community…the NAVY military community and even worked for two returned POWs, Admiral Stockdale at the War College and CAPT Tanner, CO of NAS Kingsville…neither of them ever said anything negative towards McCain.
Who’s misrepresenting, the Lt. General clearly said torture worked on John McCain?
“The fact is … it worked on John [McCain],” Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney told FBN’s Charles Payne on Tuesday. “That’s why they call him ‘Songbird John.’”
If it worked on McCain, perhaps the Retired Lt. General can tell us all what military secrets the North Vietnamese gained from torturing him…
Spend like ten minutes researching McCain and his time in captivity and you will see how idiotic this post is.
That’s why IMO the General should have been pressed to provide clarification of that comment rather then just dismissed & suspended from Fox News. The General may not have spent any of his 35 years of decorated military service as a POW but he did serve honorably for over three decades and I personally want to know what he is talking about and why he made that “songbird” comment. I spent almost 2 decades in the military community as the wife of a retired USMC Officer and when one military officer makes a comment like that about another military officer based on my experience I feel there could be some validity to the comment. Should he have said it on TV…NO but it doesn’t keep me from wondering about it nor do I want to demonize him for it.
NebraskaFootball:The host had to issue an apology, and rightfully so.
Additionally, McInerney seems to have his facts wrong about McCain “singing” to his torturers.
I believe there was an actually recording made by McCain while a POW in 1969 that was used for propaganda purposes in Tokyo. It apparently was made by McCain while under duress. If there is such a recording, it would support McInerney, retired United States Air Force Lieutenant General’s claim that torture works.
I think FOX NEWS CHANNEL needs to get to the bottom of the issue and let the facts be known.
JWK
In Tokyo? What? You think this was all in WWII?
But let’s get back to “torture works”…so you are for torture for propaganda purposes? Is that it?
NebraskaFootball:By your own admission, it did not work.
What I stated, and not an admission, was that torture was used to get McCain to make a recording used for propaganda purposes.
JWK
So…is that the goal of us wanting to torture people? To make recordings for propaganda purposes?
Classy of that dumb Republican military man to take that so-called insider military community info and blast it on national television, then. Is that better?
John McCain is a Republican military man that in typical liberal classless behavior blasted him all over the media when he was running for President. Standing up for John McCain is a typical liberal whiplash tactic when they can exploit him for their benefit, otherwise they call him worse then whatever the General called him.
John McCain is a Republican military man that in typical liberal classless behavior blasted him all over the media when he was running for President. Standing up for John McCain is a typical liberal whiplash tactic when they can exploit him for their benefit, otherwise they call him worse then whatever the General called him.
Classy.
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party-free:My only interested in the discussion is finding out why you’re stating the guest stated a fact, while your only source for this “fact” is an anonymous source and what you admit are only allegations.
Torture does work and McCain admitted himself.
See What John McCain Went Through as a POW
McCain says his torture began in August of 1968. “For the next four days, I was beaten every two or three hours by different guards. My left arm was broken again and my ribs were cracked,” he said according to U.S. News. The North Vietnamese wanted a confession for crimes committed against the North Vietnamese people. After holding out for four days, McCain, at the point of suicide, agreed to write a confession. Looking back on his decision, McCain reflected “I felt just terrible about it… Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine,” he said, according to the report.
Also see Is McCain’s War Record Fair Game?
**McCain has written repeatedly of his service, including a long 1973 magazine article and in his memoir, Faith of My Fathers. A Navy aviator from a military family, he was shot down on his 23rd sortie over Vietnam on October 26, 1967. His mission was to bomb a power plant in the North Vietnamese capital. Already suffering from broken limbs, he was beaten by a crowd before being taken to a POW camp. After being tortured there, he participated in some Vietnamese propaganda efforts. **
"I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine," he later wrote.
The facts are what they are. McCain broke under torture and participated in some Vietnamese propaganda efforts.
Why is this fact so hard to accept? Breaking under the conditions described does not detract from McCain’s service to America. But it does indicate torture can, and sometimes does work as pointed out by McInerney.
JWK
Without a Fifth Column Media, Yellow Journalism, Hollywood, and a corrupted FBI, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary
So I ask again…is this the stated goal of OUR government? To torture people in order to make propaganda films?